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Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

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Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#141

EU seems like it’s just going to keep daring Apple to exit their market. I’m looking forward to their regulations requiring Apple to write open source drivers for the alternative operating system installs they’ll be required to allow.

It will probably happen at some point. In 1990, the EU was easy to do business in and represented 25% of world GDP. Now it’s exceeding difficult to do business in and represents just 14% of world GDP. If those two trends continue, there will be a point where it’s just not worth it for large companies to be threatened with fines on their “global turnover”.

... Eh? The EU is far easier to do business in today than in 1990; in 1990 you had to care about local regulations to a far larger extent, and they were far weirder and often more protectionist/anticompetitive. In a number of countries in 1990 Apple wouldn't have been able to sell phones, say, had they been in that business at the time; consumer phone equipment was a state monopoly. Very few foreign (or European) countries actually did business in all Western European countries in 1990; it was too much overhead.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#142

EU seems like it’s just going to keep daring Apple to exit their market. I’m looking forward to their regulations requiring Apple to write open source drivers for the alternative operating system installs they’ll be required to allow.

World's dumbest bluff.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#143

Do I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Do I believe indie devs will be worse off? Unfortunately, also yes. If you are a solo app developer, you will now have to keep presence on all app stores out there, since if you don’t publish on one then a copycat will. Every store would have its own review processes, fee structures, billing and tax procedures. Since…

> Do I believe indie devs will be worse off? Unfortunately, also yes. Worse off than having 15% to 30% of their entire revenue stream taken? Doubt it.

Indie game devs gave up on mobile almost a decade ago, when the F2P wrecking ball swung its way through mobile gaming.

(Have the top games even changed since then? some variant of Clash of Credit Cards dominating?)

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#147

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because I should have that choice. Government should not make this decision for me. If it’s important to me that I have devices I fully own, I should seek that out. If I like the products and prices that result from walled-garden business models, I should be able to choose them.

You will have the choice of installing or not installing the software you wish. The "choice" as you're describing it is a symptom of Stockholm Syndrome.

I might not want that choice. That requires that I use my brain as I use the device and not do the harmful thing. Or maybe I want to hand the device to my child and be assured that she cannot install software, or use it as a publicly-accessible kiosk and be assured members of the public can’t break it. People who have handed Windows PCs to software illiterates and have to constantly return to eradicate crapware understand this problem.

Also, it costs the vendor to implement support for installing other software - resources the vendor could have spent on features I value, rather than features I don’t want. If only a government didn’t dictate to the vendor what it should do, stripping the vendor and the user of the power to decide for themselves.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#148

Do I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Do I believe indie devs will be worse off? Unfortunately, also yes. If you are a solo app developer, you will now have to keep presence on all app stores out there, since if you don’t publish on one then a copycat will. Every store would have its own review processes, fee structures, billing and tax procedures. Since…

1) Users win. The first alt app store didn't even launch and it pressured Apple to change it's review policies TWICE. Once to allow game streaming services, and then to allow game emulators. Hell, even developers won here. 2) How did this play out on every other platform. Sure - piracy exists, but most don't and it's pretty non-impactful AFAICT.

Piracy is not-impactful is not true. The disappearance of indie software that do not depend on a remote server (or that's not software on a remote server) is basically due to the inability to monetize with sales native, stand-alone, software. And that's for the piracy.

In some way, the success of the App Store towards indie/solo developers is because there was a way to sell things without the piracy easily steal your sales.

Yes, I know that "it's not stealing", "it's not theft", etc. Beside the ethical/moral conundrum of piracy, the fact is that it destroys the market for small developers.

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#149
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The iPad App Store is perhaps an even more dysfunctional place than the iPhone in how much it holds hardware and use cases hostage to the manufacturer's vision. Just imagine how much more versatile the iPad Pro would be if only you could run Linux VMs on it in the moments you want to do anything remotely tinkery on an iPad. Apple's hardware since the 2021 iPad Pro (with M1) has had the ability to do this. The iPads h…

Is it right to say that currently the cost of the hardware is being partly subsidized by the profits Apple makes from the software? If some of the profit from the software gets taken away will we see the price of the hardware rise?

Re: Apple must open iPadOS to sideloading within 6 months, EU says

#150

Do I think side-loading and alt app stores would make iPads and iPhones more versatile devices? Yes. Will I ever install something side loaded? No.

Does anyone care about what you do with your own devices? No.

Should your position impose any limitation on what people can do with their own devices? Also no.

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