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When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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I disagree. Rather strongly actually. I’ve had bad managers that couldn’t communicate. I’ve been that manager. I’ve learned how to communicate to be more effective with others. Everyone has blockages and traumas (especially now). It’s important to use those in context and draw from that experience. It’s not HR motivated, it’s a style of empathetic communication.

It is important not to think of black-white alternatives. The style "good job, kid!", "great effort, little man/woman!" is undoubtedly paternalistic. There are people who like this style on both sides of the conversation, but in my experience, these are not high performers who make a difference in an initiative, a company, or a group of friends. Now, the alternative to paternalism is not rudeness, or brutality, but,…

>”Hi, it was great to meet you and we had such a great time.”

Is it hard to believe that someone could have a great time with you but not see you as a future partner for themselves?

Maybe this visceral dislike for this style of communication is why? You’re entitled to your opinion and preferences as are they. If you’re willing to look past yourself, maybe that person thought you were too much, instead of too little. Maybe you were further down the road than they are and they want someone closer to where they are in the journey.

I’m simply stating that expressing praise for a thing doesn’t have to be clouded in ulterior motives like trying to prove you know better. You can simply reply back “Thanks, I had a great time too. If you ever change your mind or want to hang out again, give me a ring. If not, I hope you find your happiness, whatever that looks like for you.”

That’s a respectful reply.

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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> “I really liked how you tackled this, have you thought about this approach?” Instead of “Why didn’t you do it this way?” Commonly called "Positive, to & try", taught to Snowboard Instructors. i.e. "I really like how you did that, to get even better results, try x" (I'm being vague to not make it about snowboarding, but it's important to be concrete) i.e. Instead of "that took too long, make it faster", use I really…

Except I’m not imparting some snowbro knowledge. I’m asking if they had indeed, thought about that approach because odds are, we’ll be asked about it. I’m trying to either see if you, indeed looked at all the options and carved the gnarly path forward through it, or didn’t know this other way existed and you could use some of that knowledge to improve your solution. I do know, without a shadow of a doubt, that the VP…

> snowbro knowledge

Hey now, Ill have you know I'm a professional snowboard instructor. Certified and all. I get paid to snowboard. It's actually pretty rad.

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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Would an example be to celebrate someone who is doing something I think is great, and overlook celebrating others whose work is less my crusade? Or is the point to avoid critiquing coworkers TO management, bypassing seeking feedback of the person first?

The point is to talk to your coworker first. You can’t know their relationship with their manager so you could do harm even if you intend to help.

Ok, an unintended consequences scenario?

I am interested though, when would praising a coworker negatively impact them via their manager?

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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The issue here is that you are making a decision for someone else.

I can see how it comes off that way, fair enough. But I'll clarify: Abuse can be subjective and you shouldn't be abused based on your personal lines of abuse, which I of course cannot decide. If you are not comfortable in your work environment and have the capacity to leave, I hope it isn't a controversial take to suggest leaving. full time work is a good chunk of your life after all, and abuse will bleed into the ot…

You’re still not getting it. You’re projecting a personal fantasy on your peers in a way that hurts them in service of an idea that proves you aren’t a trustworthy peer. Taking a personal stand is admirable. Taking a stand at someone else’s expense isn’t.

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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The issue here is that you are making a decision for someone else.

Only in the abstract, I guess. If you drop 5 dollars and I pick it up and tell you that you dropped it, I also made a decision for you, no? That you'd want to be informed of such things? I believe that consent is good, and I believe that voluntarily crossing a person's boundaries is bad, but I also believe that participating in a society means we cannot entirely control all aspects of how we're engaged with and perce…

> If you drop 5 dollars and I pick it up and tell you that you dropped it, I also made a decision for you, no?

No, you didn’t. What decision do you think you made except your own?

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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Weird take. There’s risk in unsolicited feedback but nearly zero cost in simply asking. Why take the chance?

A couple reasons: Some people are excessively modest to the point of self-sabotage & will discourage you from providing deserved praise because they see it as boasting. Also, asking is another step and creates more friction in providing positive feedback. Given that this is something people already don't do, if you're trying to encourage the behaviour it should be made as easy as possible. There will be some people w…

So you think you know better than the people work with. I’m not interested in working people like you. Treat your coworkers with respect, not contempt. Your intentions don’t matter. The perception and consequences of your actions do.

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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The point is to talk to your coworker first. You can’t know their relationship with their manager so you could do harm even if you intend to help.

Ok, an unintended consequences scenario? I am interested though, when would praising a coworker negatively impact them via their manager?

This has already been clearly explained in the thread. If you care read it from the root.

The tl;dr is that you can’t know the relationship between a coworker and their manager. You may desire a world where that’s always productive but it’s simply not real.

If a manager is hostile to your coworker and you provide unsolicited feedback the manager could use your well intentioned feedback to sabotage that peer.

An example of this is “muulmen went out of their way to solve a launch blocker for my project.”

But do you know I’m not already behind on a failed project out of my control but helping in a way I believe best benefits the company? Your unsolicited feedback could be the final piece of evidence that gets me blamed for the delay and fired, even though I helped you and the company.

Do. Not. Talk. To. The. Authorities.

Speak for yourself. NEVER for anyone else.

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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Those are two separate discussions. Even if I do something dumb and am rightly blamed for it, we can still have a retro to discuss process improvements that would make it harder for that mistake to happen again in the future.

This is what I had in mind, thank you for putting it into better words that I could. Taking responsibility for messing up is important and part of personal growth. Having the team be aware of an issue and then together develop a way to avoid that issue in the future is huge. I had a boss who told me that when something like this happened, it was usually an issue with a system in place. Merged bad code that shouldn't…

Teams should introspect at a group level. That’s not controversial or relevant.

Unsolicited individual feedback has the potential to cause harm and an outside observer (you) can’t know the situation. So the safe and respectful move is to simply ask first. It costs nothing, your feedback is heard, and no harm is done.

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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I can see how it comes off that way, fair enough. But I'll clarify: Abuse can be subjective and you shouldn't be abused based on your personal lines of abuse, which I of course cannot decide. If you are not comfortable in your work environment and have the capacity to leave, I hope it isn't a controversial take to suggest leaving. full time work is a good chunk of your life after all, and abuse will bleed into the ot…

You’re still not getting it. You’re projecting a personal fantasy on your peers in a way that hurts them in service of an idea that proves you aren’t a trustworthy peer. Taking a personal stand is admirable. Taking a stand at someone else’s expense isn’t.

You're reading a lot into a comment that simply says "find a job you're comfortable with". It's not a fantasy when I'm reading comments in this very thread thst say they are afraid of getting fired over standing out too much. Well, the comments themselves can be fantasy, but thars not a healthy way to approach a forum like this.

There is no stand, merely a suggestion. Feel free staying miserable but many people in a community like this aren't minimum wage workers struggling to pay rent. It's your choice to stay miserable by that point. I'm glad I'm in environments where people can use their words about their boundaries without fear and I don't have to assume people are the way you are currently projecting them to be.

Re: When your coworker does great work, tell their manager (2020)

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post #364

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You’re still not getting it. You’re projecting a personal fantasy on your peers in a way that hurts them in service of an idea that proves you aren’t a trustworthy peer. Taking a personal stand is admirable. Taking a stand at someone else’s expense isn’t.

You're reading a lot into a comment that simply says "find a job you're comfortable with". It's not a fantasy when I'm reading comments in this very thread thst say they are afraid of getting fired over standing out too much. Well, the comments themselves can be fantasy, but thars not a healthy way to approach a forum like this. There is no stand, merely a suggestion. Feel free staying miserable but many people in a…

You’re still missing the point. Not everyone has the option to change jobs. Your unsolicited feedback has the potential to cause harm. So why not just ask first? It’s so easy to do.

“Just get a better job lol” is a ridiculously privileged response to “your good intentions may have unintended consequences.”

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