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Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by josephg »

netsharc wrote: post #284
burnte wrote: post #162

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I got a laptop in from a user the other day, that shocked the hell out of me, that floating search bar thing. MS is downright creepy the way they slip things in.

With remote work it always fascinates me to see how many people leave the weather (& news) bar displayed next to the tray on the taskbar, this is something that came with a Windows 10 update. People really don't change defaults... I was wondering if I could make a fake one, just add an appropriate icon and change its label to say something like 6000°C Nuclear Holocaust

They make it very difficult to uninstall that crap. I set up a new windows 11 machine the other day. And then did the obligatory removal of the weather/news, cortana, and 15 other pieces of crap I don’t need or want. While I was doing that it was downloading updates and once the updates were installed, the weather/news thing was back.

The stories on there are so bad. Like, borderline conspiracy thinking / conservative media gossip rag stuff. I can’t believe Microsoft puts their company name behind the content that shows up. (Though I’m in Australia. Maybe the people in charge of that content have no idea how bad it is here).

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by Terr_ »

brookst wrote: post #106
Drunk_Engineer wrote: post #45

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sending medical images to Microsoft seems like a major HIPAA violation.

It's sending URL's, and it's not clear if it is also sending cookies or other auth info. I would think / hope that any images covered by HIPAA would not be leakable by URL alone.

Even if the payload is inaccessible, consider the implications of leaking an URL like:

medical-intranet.example.com/uploads/secure_link/adc83b19e793491b1c6ea0fd8b46cd9f32e592fc/john_doe_1987-04-23_chlamydia_1.jpg

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by bagacrap »

freediver wrote: post #16
RajT88 wrote: post #5

That's nothing. This is on by default: "Allow Microsoft to save your browsing activity including history, usage, favorites, web content, and other browsing data to personalize Microsoft Edge and Microsoft services like ads, search, shopping and news."

If you are not paying for your browser with your wallet, somebody else is paying for you. It has all sorts of implications.

Which browser are you paying for with your wallet

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by genewitch »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #261
hot_gril wrote: post #67

I installed Windows 10 (not even 11!) recently on a random laptop and was appalled by the amount of BS in the initial setup process. Forced me to make a Microsoft online account seemingly with remote access to my PC, tried to sign me up for several different free trials, then tried multiple times to push me to Edge instead of Chrome. The UI has new crap like the Bing search on the taskbar and in the center of the des…

> and never felt Linux was a worthwhile alternative on desktop ZorinOS ( https://zorin.com/os ) can hopefully change your perspective.

This time, this OS really will be the one!

based on ubuntu

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by raincole »

crazygringo wrote: post #4

This is just bananas to me that a browser would perform "super resolution" at all, much less by default . Couldn't this wreak havoc on doing things like viewing medical images, inserting false detail that isn't there? As well as on text in images, e.g. inventing a cleanly readable but hallucinated license plate number on a car, or financial figure, where the original is blurry? Not only does this seem like a terribly…

I rememeber these was a video where a lawyer defended his defendant by line like: "when you zoom in the video, the algorithm makes up things so you can't use it as an evidence, your honor."

And he was mocked by the whole internet. Really showing how much an average person knows, isn't it.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by KennyBlanken »

Dalewyn wrote: post #325
KennyBlanken wrote: post #310

Earlier quoted context omitted.

HIPAA requires "reasonable" measures. Hilariously, you can't chuck a drive full of plain text PII into a dumpster in the back of your building... ...unless there's a fence around it. A lot of the nonsense around shredding hard drives is just the drive industry convincing people that they need to destroy perfectly good devices. Unless you're facing state-level actors a simple zero-out or pipe from /dev/random will suf…

>A lot of the nonsense around shredding hard drives is just the drive industry convincing people that they need to destroy perfectly good devices. Unless you're willing to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that each and every such hard drive does not in any shape or form contain sensitive information and pay hefty fines and jail time when you inevitably fail, the only nonsense here is you. It has been proven time and…

> Unless you're willing to prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that each and every such hard drive does not in any shape or form contain sensitive information

I'm not sure which part of "HIPAA says you can take an UNENCRYPTED hard drive and toss it in a dumpster provided it has a fence around it" you didn't understand.

> Any storage media that contains or contained sensitive information must be physically destroyed.

Not for federal data:

https://nvlpubs.nist.gov/nistpubs/specialpublications/nist.s...

Not for classified defense department data:

https://www.dami.army.pentagon.mil/site/IndustSec/docs/DoD%2...

...and as previously mentioned: not for PII healthcare data.

The bit about "you can only be SURE if you destroy it" is pure hard drive manufacturer nonsense.

Find me a single case where someone has recovered data from a non-solid state (hybrid or otherwise) drive or tape that has undergone a SMART secure erase or NIST / DoD compliant wipe.

In decades, I have never heard of such an incident.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by andrensairr »

josephg wrote: post #361
netsharc wrote: post #284

Earlier quoted context omitted.

With remote work it always fascinates me to see how many people leave the weather (& news) bar displayed next to the tray on the taskbar, this is something that came with a Windows 10 update. People really don't change defaults... I was wondering if I could make a fake one, just add an appropriate icon and change its label to say something like 6000°C Nuclear Holocaust

They make it very difficult to uninstall that crap. I set up a new windows 11 machine the other day. And then did the obligatory removal of the weather/news, cortana, and 15 other pieces of crap I don’t need or want. While I was doing that it was downloading updates and once the updates were installed, the weather/news thing was back. The stories on there are so bad. Like, borderline conspiracy thinking / conservativ…

I'm in Australia too, and just assumed that stuff was the norm for the US.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by genewitch »

hot_gril wrote: post #339
NayamAmarshe wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> and never felt Linux was a worthwhile alternative on desktop ZorinOS ( https://zorin.com/os ) can hopefully change your perspective.

I've tried em all. It's not that I need a more user-friendly DE like Zorin's, it's more that the Linux kernel lacks broad support. One small but kinda important example is how simply watching Netflix requires workarounds and won't run above 1080p. Zoom and Discord also have caveats. And hardware peripherals are always questionable with Linux, whereas they'll get 0 stars if they don't 100% work with Windows (even if i…

Ubuntu resources are practically (in practice) useless. They change directions too much. Fixes that worked in ubuntu 18 won't work in 22, because they changed too much. Best case the old fixes do nothing. Worst case, you have a non-functioning system unless you have a long-suffering friend that is willing to help you.

Ubuntu has the windows-itis, change for change's sake. I can't even say i like Ubuntu Server, but i'm regularly forced to interact with it because universities output stuff that "works on ubuntu, just copy and paste these lines!", where ubuntu doesn't update certain packages so you end up with old versions of stuff that works reliably until the next "tick" of an even year, when everything will break again. Windows-itis also implies that there's money in "knowing" ubuntu, because you have to keep up with their new ideas in order to be effective.

I'm less than a year away from just switching to BSD, sooner if gentoo decides to do away with openRC.

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by bagacrap »

jacooper wrote: post #359
doodlesdev wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes.

How? Chrome send your browsing historyz search prompts, browsing activity all to google. I meat at least Microsoft has additional features for that data?

Chrome sends my search queries to my search provider. What an evil bastard eh

Re: Edge sends images you view online to Microsoft

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Post by bagacrap »

brookst wrote: post #110
wewtyflakes wrote: post #84

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This does not align with my experience with HN. The pitchforks were properly out and aggressively poking at Apple when Apple declared that images uploaded to the cloud would be actively scanned and reviewed for illegal content. It got to the point where Apple reversed its decision.

Exactly this. And with very little outrage that Google and others already do that same scanning, in the cloud, with no transparency.

I don't think Google is legally allowed to host child porn on its servers so I'm not sure why there should be outrage about that
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