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Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by wlesieutre »

cpursley wrote: post #174
wlesieutre wrote: post #91

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Even if the infotainment is good today , GM is basically saying “trust me bro, 10 years from now maps on this decade old hardware are going to be so good you’ll want to pay a subscription for it.” I was thinking an Equinox EV would be my next car, but now I’m looking at gas vehicles and thinking I’ll give EVs a while longer to sort out which manufacturers earn a reputation for EV reliability, longevity, and good soft…

The Equinox is an atrociously bad vehicle. Especially when compared to Korean and Japanese competitors. Other than the Corvette (amazing performance and value), and perhaps it’s trucks, GM is a literally asleep at the wheel.

I’m talking about the Equinox EV which is a different car on a different platform (BEV3 vs D2XX), so I don’t think you can make that comparison until the car actually exists and people can give it a closer inspection and drive it for a while.

I’ll give you the Korean competitors, but what Japanese competitor are you impressed by? The BZ4X/Solterra? MX-30? The Prologue which is a BEV3 car with a Honda sticker on it?

Unfortunately the Niro / Kona suffer from slow charging and the Ioniq 5 / EV6 are in a higher price segment.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by guywithahat »

brookst wrote: post #319
guywithahat wrote: post #271

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I think this makes a ton of business sense. They're only doing this on EV's, which have to be charged, and are likely concerned your car infotainment system is going to become a platform people buy things on they don't want to miss out on. Tesla has done it and because of this they have the best infotainment system in the industry. Frankly from what I can tell as well this is just editorialization, I don't think GM c…

It makes a lot of business sense if you think people pick their cars first and phones second. Sort of a spherical cows optimization. GM is going to discover that cars are now phone accessories for most people, not the other way around.

Not to be that guy but I don't think this is the case at all; cars cost ~25k and last a lot longer than your phone. Further your car will still work with your phone, although it may require a bit more setup when you first buy the car to install the apps you want. The big hurdle I see is that they'll have to develop an infotainment system that's on feature parity with your phone, which will be quite difficult and will take years; it's taken a decade for Tesla's system to get where it is today and convincing Netflix and other developers to get on was difficult

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by WWLink »

matt_heimer wrote: post #356
solarkraft wrote: post #335

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Well actually ... just make an app that talks to some API in the car's system. You'll of course have to do it for both phone OSes, but it seems quite doable.

You don't want a bunch of different car API system, you'd have to deal with so many issues like large (ongoing) investment and support from Apple and Google. Maybe you could get support for some things like AC control via Matter but car manufacturers would struggle to get proprietary features supported. You just need car specific app icons to appear inside of the Apple and Google UIs. Since Cars reach EOL you don't w…

lol it'd be even easier to make it work like universal remotes do.

Just plug into the ODB-II socket and then have the user poke at the knobs/dials :D Then you know what messages correspond to what actions.

Of course nobody would EVER sign up for that because it's awful clunky hahah

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by WWLink »

bmelton wrote: post #293
bborud wrote: post #226

Ideally, my car would look like a BT speaker, possibly with a microphone and some controls, to the phone. I don't want a dedicated satnav, I don't want an elaborate in-car entertainment system. The reason is twofold. The first is that all of these in-car systems are pretty dated even after a couple of years. The second is that they tend to be fairly low quality to begin with. The system in my car that integrates with…

I've mentioned it before on here, but the Citroen Oli is a cheap EV (prototype) car that is a) cute as a button, and b) sacrifices a lot of fluff that we have misled ourselves into thinking are requirements. I'm basically the opposite of its target market, but really interested in it. One of the things that it has done (that your post reminded me of) is that it eliminated the onboard stereo. There is a dock for a pho…

Man I am loving the design & interior of that car. I wonder how you know how fast you're going though? There doesn't seem to be a speedometer anywhere.. Maybe in the little black bar at the top of the dash there's a screen hidden in there? Gotta have one for the legally mandated backup cam anyway.

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by freetime2 »

redditor98654 wrote: post #360
freetime2 wrote: post #320

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I live in Japan, and Apple and Google maps really don’t cut it here. I paid for a dedicated GPS unit in my car, and the benefits are: * Location on the map is represented far more accurately * Knows which way I am pointed and can give accurate directions as soon as I start navigation, while sometimes with my phone I need to move a bit for it to know which way I’m oriented * Works in tunnels * Tends to stick to main r…

Interesting. Which car it this?

It’s Toyota’s “T-Connect” navi kit.

https://toyota.jp/dop/navi/

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by ashconnor »

ghostpepper wrote: post #77
ashconnor wrote: post #60

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CarPlay is also a requirement for me. Wireless not so much. The adapters are pretty good these days.

What adapter do you use? My car has a USB A port that accepts a regular iPhone charging cable - takes all of five seconds to connect as I'm getting in the car.

This one https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B0BBG4QRPX

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by cpursley »

wlesieutre wrote: post #361
cpursley wrote: post #174

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The Equinox is an atrociously bad vehicle. Especially when compared to Korean and Japanese competitors. Other than the Corvette (amazing performance and value), and perhaps it’s trucks, GM is a literally asleep at the wheel.

I’m talking about the Equinox EV which is a different car on a different platform (BEV3 vs D2XX), so I don’t think you can make that comparison until the car actually exists and people can give it a closer inspection and drive it for a while. I’ll give you the Korean competitors, but what Japanese competitor are you impressed by? The BZ4X/Solterra? MX-30? The Prologue which is a BEV3 car with a Honda sticker on it? U…

I'm 100% in agreement with you (and thanks for the detail, rare here).

Japan is lethargic in terms of EVs despite an obvious tech advantage ...

Ford is the only American car company that impresses me

Re: GM’s decision to ditch Apple CarPlay, Android Auto sparks backlash

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Post by pluc »

danaris wrote: post #284
pluc wrote: post #234

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It makes sense because they can create and roll out their own system. Hell, make it subscription-based, with a premium tier. They don't give a fuck, people will still buy their big ass SUVs and pick-up trucks. How does it make sense to keep making cars bigger and bigger? It doesn't for us, but sure as shit does for them.

Not with the changes the EPA is talking about.

the EPA doesn't exist outside of your country

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Post by muti »

phpisthebest wrote: post #339
Spivak wrote: post #290

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One of the benefits of "economy" cars. More reliable than the high-end models and they can't pull this crap because it would lose them money as their customer base can't afford it. This is why I'm really skeptical of mandating EVs without consumer protection because this seems to be the point where automakers are seeing dollar signs and can force buyers into higher price brackets.

I think attempting to solve a problem that is created by government regulations by creating more government regulations is crazy... There should be no EV mandate, then there would not need to be consumer protections as the market would do what is does best and allow manufacturers to compete on the merits of the vehicles not by the government choosing what we should be allowed to drive. I think there are already too m…

Which regulations would you like to get rid of or change?
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