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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Xylakant »

jrumbut wrote: post #332
stuaxo wrote: post #312

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Not being able to run after 10 would be a pain. I guess with a timer it could run in the morning and work from home means the day could work. Totally stops using cheaper energy at night too.

Imagine if it leaks? Or anything else goes wrong? I've never heard of a dishwasher so loud it couldn't be run any time.

Many modern dishwashers are essentially leak-proof. They have a closed bottom, a sensor that detects liquid and use a low-pressure hose with a valve at the end that connects to the wall outlet. The hose is double walled, so even in the event that the low pressure hose leaks, all water will end up in the dishwasher.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by masklinn »

_trampeltier wrote: post #356
masklinn wrote: post #343

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> I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. You can. It’s just way less efficient, way noisier, and way more expensive. A Hobart conveyor dishwasher has a cycle time south of 3mn (and throughput of 3 racks/mn, with conveyor speeds reaching 6ft/mn). But it’d probably take most of your kitchen and blow up your electric panel (they need an exclusive 208V 3-phase, and if you plonk for the booster h…

Industrial dishwasher use much stronger detergent. So at home often have paintings, drawings or golden things on the dishes. With an industrial dishwasher such things would be a short joy. Also you need much more electricity, because you need to make a lot of hot water in a very short time.

I think just the thermal cycling of an industrial dishwasher would damage consumer dishes in just a few cycles, if they even survive the first.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by sokoloff »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #357
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

why do you guys use a dishwasher? we traditionally never have used one (not just me, i mean the community) so there is no "need" for it. rich people buy one just to flaunt their wealth but dont use it because it is too much of a bother and even for them, the dishwasher soap is prohibitively expensive for no apparent reason. elbow gease, is just a part of the routine. You cook, you eat and you clean.

> even for [rich people], the dishwasher soap is prohibitively expensive for no apparent reason.

The dishwasher tablets we use are $0.16 each. If we ran the dishwasher everyday, that’s under $60/yr. Rinse aid adds about $0.04 per load, so The powdered detergents are even cheaper I think, but I’ve never had reason to consider further economizing as we run 3-4 loads per week for a family of 4.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by jrumbut »

masklinn wrote: post #346
jrumbut wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Imagine if it leaks? Or anything else goes wrong? I've never heard of a dishwasher so loud it couldn't be run any time.

> Imagine if it leaks? Or anything else goes wrong? I’ve never remained next to a dishwasher for the entire time in order to baby it in case of trouble, have you? Plus a modern dishwasher uses less than 4 gal water for the entire cycle, there’s likely less than 2 gal in it at any one time. > I've never heard of a dishwasher so loud it couldn't be run any time. Then either you’ve never lived in an apartment building o…

> I’ve never remained next to a dishwasher for the entire time in order to baby it in case of trouble, have you?

This is from experience actually!

The last two I've had (heavily used before I got them) had a tendency to leak, so I take a peek at them from time to time when they run. Basically the same level of attention I might pay the oven when it's on or a candle.

I would recommend it. A leaking dishwasher can do a surprising amount of damage.

> Then either you’ve never lived in an apartment building or you’re deaf.

Neither are true!

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by Ekaros »

Jaxan wrote: post #270

It’s interesting how this thread shows how differently people use their dishwasher. From multiple times a day to only in the night and everything in between. So the take away is that dishwashers should not be optimised for a single type of usage!

I'm lazy have huge amount of dishes for single person. So I do them rarely. And then I would like to do multiple cycles back to back, maybe on Saturday or Sunday... 1h vs 3h at that process would add up and faster would be better.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by [deleted] »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #357
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

why do you guys use a dishwasher? we traditionally never have used one (not just me, i mean the community) so there is no "need" for it. rich people buy one just to flaunt their wealth but dont use it because it is too much of a bother and even for them, the dishwasher soap is prohibitively expensive for no apparent reason. elbow gease, is just a part of the routine. You cook, you eat and you clean.

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Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by MereInterest »

masklinn wrote: post #343
barnabee wrote: post #329

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Dishwashers in commercial kitchens are rapid, much less than 10 mins. I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. A dishwasher so fast that it's done while you're still clearing up from dinner and you can put stuff away immediately would be fantastic and is clearly absolutely possible.

> I have always wondered why, exactly, we can't have that at home. You can. It’s just way less efficient, way noisier, and way more expensive. A Hobart conveyor dishwasher has a cycle time south of 3mn (and throughput of 3 racks/mn, with conveyor speeds reaching 6ft/mn). But it’d probably take most of your kitchen and blow up your electric panel (they need an exclusive 208V 3-phase, and if you plonk for the booster h…

To my understanding, restaurant dishwashers also assume that foods residue has already been removed, and are primarily to sanitize the surface with high temperatures. Residential dishwashers, by contrast, start by prewashing anything that is immediately removable, main wash to slowly break down anything stuck on, and only then go to the high temperature sanitization step.

Commercial dishwashers also assume they’re installed in a location with lots of airflow and ventilation, so they can just dump steam into the room and trust the HVAC to remove it. A residential dishwasher may instead have a cool-down step during which the steam condenses, which avoids releasing steam into the kitchen.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by shswkna »

2Gkashmiri wrote: post #357
ianvisits wrote: post #323

I would love a faster dishwasher -- not because I need the dishes washed faster, but becuase I live in an open-plan flat with the kitchen and living room in the same space, and anything to reduce how long I have the dishwasher churning away would be wonderful. Fortuanately, I tend to get away with a 30-min wash for most days, but someone please invent a 10-minute dishwasher please :)

why do you guys use a dishwasher? we traditionally never have used one (not just me, i mean the community) so there is no "need" for it. rich people buy one just to flaunt their wealth but dont use it because it is too much of a bother and even for them, the dishwasher soap is prohibitively expensive for no apparent reason. elbow gease, is just a part of the routine. You cook, you eat and you clean.

> why do you guys use a dishwasher?

To free time so we can pursue the things that could let us become rich.

> rich people buy one just to flaunt their wealth but dont use it

Yes, because they have people do the dishes for them

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by bborud »

goldcd wrote: post #96

Most people probably don't need a faster dishwasher - but it's a handy feature to have to sell dishwashers. "Cleans just as well, using the same water & power, in half the time?" - well that sounds like you've just created a premium dishwasher you can sell to people who want to own a premium dishwasher. I think it's much the same with all the wifi-enabled, app controlled appliances. Their purpose isn't to be sold as…

It depends on what "faster" means.

My dishwasher takes about an hour. If it took 50 or even 40 minutes, that wouldn't change things materially. But if it took 10-15 minutes, it would change the way I plan and execute work in the kitchen quite a bit.

Re: Nobody needs a faster dishwasher – solve real user needs

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Post by imp0cat »

soco wrote: post #142
jaclaz wrote: post #122

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I see, I thought there were tens of different models with different features/interfaces/settings/whatever. At least then Bosch is coherent.

I'm sure you are sarcastic here, because I have 4 (four) Bosch kitchen devices which might look similar (a rotating button with little displays left and right) but function WILDLY different - emphasis mine. On one the rotating button can be pushed, the displays are touch sensitive except on one, on one two increment by the touch displays not by rotating, on one the settings are reached by long pressing the info area,…

Well, we have two Bosch machines (a dishwasher and a washing machine) from the same year and series and the controls are very similar.
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