Both predictable AND overdue.
Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
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Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
I agree. It’s like crying wolf, eventually you start ignoring it
> It’s like crying wolf, eventually you start ignoring it
The problem here lies in having a manufacturer shipping an unfinished product then relying on an endless stream of recalls to finish developing your vehicle.
These are supposed to be exceptional events. If they've become so frequent you're ignoring them, don't shoot the messenger.
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#363Earlier quoted context omitted.
Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
My Honda had 2 recalls on it recently: one was a software update and the other was over the fact that a few of the cables on the audio system were slightly too short. This sounds like the same thing other than the fact that I had to pop over to the dealership to do them. Even with the cable replacement, in and out in an hour with a nice lounge to sit in.
If the software update has to be done physically at a dealer location, that's a recall.
The scenario in this article is an over-the-air update.
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#364Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm not sure that the people who want one of those will want them if: * they are not the first (or in the first ~50 or so) to get there * they have a lot of money and a lot of income on Earth This is kind of a glory-seeking thing for people who haven't made a name for themselves otherwise. Rich people would want to have a return flight. That is not a recipe for making a ton of money.
think of it this way: you go there, work for a company, in a spare time, you find gold, raise capital to start mining it, got rich, build a huge house with swimming pools, and all the rich attributes, but on Mars. Mars will be colonized with great mixture of science and initiative people. Your kids will grew up in this environment, they'll receive best education and endless room for possibilities.
I feel like The Expanse will probably be a more accurate picture of the realities of a Mars colony
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The Tesla tech is not ready and is deployed haphazardly. Google and other companies are approaching self-driving in a much safer way while still having tremendous progress.
> Google and other companies are approaching self-driving in a much safer way while still having tremendous progress.
Are they really?
It looks like they have got the timeless problem of "the last big(s)". This time it is safety critical.
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
Recall implies something being returned. This should be called a mandatory software patch, or something like that. The problem is Tesla owners repeatedly see "recall" to mean "software update", so this might lead to a lot of confusion if a physical recall is actually required in the future.
I work in the medical device space, and we will often have "recalls", which usually result in a software patch. Recall != return.
Are these delivered directly to the device and installed overnight automatically (like an iPhone iOS update) or do they have to be hooked up to a computer to install the software update?
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That Tesla was allowed to test in production without any legal liability with real human lives mostly because of Musk's personal influence is a disgrace
> That Tesla was allowed to test in production without any legal liability with real human lives mostly because of Musk's personal influence is a disgrace I am unsure what"allowed" means in that context. They just did it. The lawsuits are coming, surely? Sometimes it is better to ask for forgiveness than for permission. This was an audacious example. Time will tell if there is anything that will stop them.
I mean, "ask for forgiveness than permission" for an AI conducting a 1 ton machine that carries live human beings borders on psychopathy.
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Exactly. I think a lot of "people" online are paid shills. HN should severely downrank any "opinion" posts from anon accounts. I have a Tesla with FSD and it's incredible. Though it drives way worse than me, it drives pretty darn good, and will save a ton of lives and change the world by freeing up a lot of time for people to do more important things.
Is your post supposed to be read as genuine or sarcastic? It looks to me like a strawman of a Tesla owner stereotype, and I don’t want to accidentally eat the onion here by taking it at face value. Your post appears to be saying that Tesla’s FSD is way worse than human drivers, not safer than them, but we should still welcome it for the convenience. Again, this reads like a strawman. I would like to think the average…
> is way worse than human drivers
No, I said it's way worse than me. Probably around performance of the average human driver.
I am training to be an astronaut, so on the advanced side.
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Anybody else reminded of that story where the guy gets a sketchy neural implant, then goes to a dystopian mars settlement, and then rips the self-driving feature out of a car with his bare hands? What was that called again? / puts on sunglasses preemptively/
Um, what is it?
Total Recall
Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes
#370That's 4-5B USD worth of fraud. This thing could actually be quite dangerous for TSLA. One class-action lawsuit around this and they're bankrupt. Edit: Dang, you're all right, they could eat this and still be alive. My whole sentiment comes from FSD being their big shot (and everything that comes with that, like the robotaxis and whatnot). Without FSD, they're "just another car company" and the market is already thri…
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