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Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by julianlam »

panick21_ wrote: post #206
justapassenger wrote: post #151

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Does anyone have insights on what QA looks like at Tesla for FSD work? Because all of these seem table-stakes before even thinking about releasing the BETA FSD. Tesla is not exactly in love with QA. Especially for FSD. FSD is mainly 2 things: 1. (By far most important) shareholder value creating promise, that's been solved for 6 years according to their CEO. 2. Software engineering research project What FSD is not…

Do you have actual knowlage of Tesla internal QA processes, any kind of source at all? Based on there presentation, they for sure have a whole load of tests, many built directly from real world situation that the car has to handle. They simulate sensor input based on the simulation and check the car does the right thing. They very likely have some internal test drivers and before the software goes public it goes to t…

> We have many real world example of videos where other cars would have killed somebody and the Tesla stopped based on image recognition.

I think you and I must've watched a different video.

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Post by 12345hn6789 »

helf wrote: post #33
thepasswordis wrote: post #21

It seems like there is a huge disconnect between people who know about FSD from using it and people who know about FSD from things they read on the internet. I have FSD, I use it every single day. I love it. If every car on the road had this the road would be a substantially safer place.

Until your car decides to randomly slam on its brakes and cause a pile up.

If someone brake checks and you hit them, you're just as much of a problem. Learn defensive driving and stop driving so close to another driver. Keep a safe distance.

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by saboot »

adwn wrote: post #157
saboot wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm really struck at how this comment has no consideration of the quality or accuracy of current FSD technology. Also, public transit would do the same.

> Also, public transit would do the same. Does public transit pick me up at my front door and drop me off at any location I choose? Does public transit take of the minute I leave the house? Is public transit available 24/7, even in remote areas? Does public transit wait for me to load 2 kids, a dog, 4 suit cases, and various bags, blankets, and toys? Does public transit turn around after 2 minutes, bring me back, and…

Then by all means lets let the self driving cars have free roam then. Current state of technology and failures be damned

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Post by pclmulqdq »

dshpala wrote: post #181
idlewords wrote: post #141

I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

You'd be surprised how many people want a one-way ticket to Mars. I think Elon can make good money from that alone.

I'm not sure that the people who want one of those will want them if:

* they are not the first (or in the first ~50 or so) to get there

* they have a lot of money and a lot of income on Earth

This is kind of a glory-seeking thing for people who haven't made a name for themselves otherwise. Rich people would want to have a return flight. That is not a recipe for making a ton of money.

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Post by sebzim4500 »

micromacrofoot wrote: post #74
mrdatawolf wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because only a FSD car causes piles up... your right, I NEVER saw 90 car pileups on the news before FSD. /s I'm pointing this out because he said (in italics) "substantially".

It doesn't really matter, we have multiple incidents of FSD causing accidents due to outright mistakes, not even "a human would have messed up here too" situations.

Humans also mess up in situations that aren't "a human would have messed up here too".

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Post by xdavidliu »

noduerme wrote: post #62
rootusrootus wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hell, right now I'd pay a few bucks to disable AP so I could use the old school cruise control. I still don't understand Tesla's opposition for making that an option whether you have AP or not.

Teslas don't have cruise control ?! The arrogance...

they meant "save a few thousand dollars so my Tesla can just have the ordinary cruise control that it comes with, without the autopilot which I believe to be unusable"

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by mometsi »

idlewords wrote: post #141

I love that this is the same guy who wants to send people to Mars one-way and then figure out the return trip later.

Anybody else reminded of that story where the guy gets a sketchy neural implant, then goes to a dystopian mars settlement, and then rips the self-driving feature out of a car with his bare hands?

What was that called again?

/puts on sunglasses preemptively/

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Post by ggreer »

Veserv wrote: post #204
apnew wrote: post #64

> The FSD Beta system may cause crashes by allowing the affected vehicles to: “act unsafe around intersections, such as traveling straight through an intersection while in a turn-only lane, entering a stop sign-controlled intersection without coming to a complete stop, or proceeding into an intersection during a steady yellow traffic signal without due caution,” according to the notice on the website of the National…

It also does not know what one way street, do not enter, road closed, and speed limit signs are. Really, the only signs it appears to know about are stop signs. As for their QA process, in 2018 they had a braking distance problem on the Model 3. They learned of it, implemented a change that alters the safety critical operation of the brakes, then pushed it to production to all Model 3s without doing any rollout testi…

Teslas have understood speed limit signs since 2020.[1]

1. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/upcoming-tesla-software-2020-...

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Post by LanceJones »

jackmott42 wrote: post #219
ckwalsh wrote: post #212

I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

Are you planning to join a class action lawsuit so you can get your money back?

I would suggest reading all the disclaimers and screens one has to review (or skip, at their own peril) in order to actually get access to FSD Beta. You would likely not believe a Class Action lawsuit is a cakewalk if you read those screens...

Re: Tesla recalls 360k vehicles, says full self-driving beta may cause crashes

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Post by zitterbewegung »

jackmott42 wrote: post #219
ckwalsh wrote: post #212

I have a Model 3, and was excited to get the FSD beta access about a month ago. I don't use it super regularly, but it's neat. This morning I tried to turn it on, and the car immediately veered left into the oncoming lane on a straight, 2 lane road. Fortunately, there were no other vehicles nearby. I immediately turned it off in the settings, and have no intention of re-enabling.

Are you planning to join a class action lawsuit so you can get your money back?

IANAL but That’s not how class actions work. If the terms of service allow for the lawsuit then if the lawsuit rules in your favor you get a notification from the lawyers to accept or deny your share of the penalty.

There might be precedent to even removing the feature since FSD almost is vaporware and has no release date. https://www.cnet.com/tech/gaming/ps3-other-os-settlement-cla...

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