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California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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High temperatures? Air conditioning. Low temperatures? Heating. High humidity? Dehumidifiers. Low humidity? Humidifiers. Particulate matter? Air filters. Bugs? Pest control. Bug screens. Traps. Mosquito treatments. High energy use? Solar. Lack of density? Sign me up. More privacy, less noise, lower crime rate, and fewer problems in general. No rude people constantly in a hurry. The stuff there are no solutions for: h…

Being outside most of the year? Overrated.

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Lived in the Presidio, all my neighbors plus our house has a pretty big mold problem, likely from the humidity. When we called maintenance, the answer was to manage airflow and yeah, it’s the presidio, stuffs gonna mold.

To be fair, the Presidio is the foggiest/most humid part of SF. Any part of the city & broader Bay Area directly touching coast line attracts dramatically more moisture than anywhere even a few hundred meters inland. Even in the Marina district half a mile away mold isn’t an issue afaik

To be double fair, it sometimes felt that the Presidio was only technically part of SF. We used to joke that it was really Marin's foothold on the peninsula.

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That's when a democrat moves. Republicans move to Arizona, Texas and Florida

As a rule, we Californias refuse to acknowledge that there are any non-democrats in the state, therefore they can’t move to Florida.

If you look at California by geography, rather than population, California has a LOT of red. https://www.politico.com/2016-election/results/map/president...

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California is a great state? I guess the mass exodus over the last several years is just simply people leaving in excitement. California is not great. It hasnt been great for a long time. It's hostile to anyone who is not the elite while also mascarading as a progressive paradise. The problem with people leaving is they export the same politics that got California to it's position as a working class hostile state. In…

Dude, as someone who left, California is a great state and I never would have left if I could afford to live there. Only a small portion of Oregon is left leaning, and people who feel they are being squeezed out by Californians of course are going to feel antagonistic and try to justify that antagonism in their heads as more than just fear.

I live in one of those states. I have watched my state go from an alright place with affordable housing, good liberal laws, etc to a complete shit show in the last decade. Where I am is beginning to feel more like California every single day. Dramatically more taxes, far more expensive houses, far worse roads, increasing stretched police forces, less personal rights, etc. It's a nightmare. People like me aren't antagonistic because people moved here. We're antagonistic because the same shit that brought you the absurd taxes, expensive houses, poor roads, terrible policing, overbearing politics, etc is being exported en masse by these very same people. The average person living here cannot afford to live here because, according to my realtor friend, majority of home purchases come from Californians and they don't just buy one. Ignoring all else the income asymmetry is causing strife to people who cannot afford to live when the chickens come home to roost.

I live where I live and travel to California so often I more or less live there for several days a week. The only thing great about California is the weather.

It's simple, assimilate or stay over there. You left California for a reason - why bring the garbage to every other state? Your voting is the reason California is a dumpster fire in almost every major metro. Walking down Santa Monica, or almost anywhere in San Francisco smells like human waste. You cannot tell me California is "nice". At least the Californians coming here aren't exporting the smell.

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California is a beautiful place and I love living there. My experience as an immigrant has highlighted a number of problems though that nobody talks about. It is an extremely expensive place to have a normal quality lifestyle. People endlessly ghost you, waste your time, burn you out and burn your money, trick you with their fake friendlyness. Everyone has a game plan that you only find out later. It is much less open to immigrants and diversity than you think. It is much less likely you will be funded than you think. It is much less certain someone will take a chance with you than you think. In silicon valley people have a very narrow mindset about building businesses and are clueless about what is happening elsewhere and what is worth funding and what not. California mostly seems to run on marketing. Living in an expensive place is no problem IF companies are willing to give you business or a high paying job. Unfortunately because of the endless ghosting and fakeness all your savings might be gone before you start making money. I think this is the real problem of California. I have had very few people hand me opportunities here, so the “taking chances” and “risk taking” seems to be long gone or maybe that’s done only when they already know you for many years which basically means that nepotism is a major factor in success. I still love California and I’m thankful I’m here. But the cost combined with slow speed of doing business and making decisions resulting in real income are a problem. It basically means you already need to be semi rich which is really not what the spirit of silicon valley should be.

Re: California’s population shrinks for third straight year

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While people remain in denial about how nice it is to only have 2-3 months of livable outdoor weather a year, housing prices will always tell the truth

I think that property prices in Ireland, the UK and the Netherlands provide a neat counter example to your point.

All three of those have much milder winters than the US Midwest does.

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That's when a democrat moves. Republicans move to Arizona, Texas and Florida

The most virulently racist CA residents I’ve met (meet some interesting people out riding motorcycles) moved to Idaho

Oh yeah, I forgot about Idaho

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A "majority" of any sizeable group is not going to be rich. What is important for fiscal impact is that the rich are leaving, not that other people are also leaving. If you want to see data, we can look at IRS data: "New York’s tax base shrank by $19.5 billion while California lost $17.8 billion as a result of workers fleeing those states during a time when lockdown measures allowed employees to work remotely, accord…

Not that California is better, but all those places are stupid places to move to for global warming reasons. At least in the long term.

TX, NC, SC, and TN are bad states for global warming? Please explain.

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In Texas I’ve been without power for a total of three days in last 15 years and that was a once in a century event

Serendipitously, this tweet popped up almost right before I read your comment - https://twitter.com/ybarrap/status/1606319917229228032?s=46&... I don’t think it’s outrageous to say Texas has one of the worst power grids in the nation. Regardless of your personal experience.

High winds and ice downed some power lines around the state. That is not a bad power grid lol that’s just what happens when storms blow through.

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I find it problematic that so many people reject your opinion, in particular because I suspect they are probably downplaying the degree to which it parallels the way most Americans think about where they live, to one degree or another. Your logic isn’t unsound, but it will increasingly come across as unreasonable because not everyone in the workforce has the option of finding employment and accommodation elsewhere.

Make it unaffordable in a city for service workers to live, and there will be no one to host your night out on the town. No one to serve your dinner, or to tear your venue ticket, or to play live music.

As I said, it’s unreasonable in the big picture. The big picture matters.

But it’s not _illogical_ for someone who has everything they want to oppose things they don’t need.

NIMBY-is like another application of the “possession is 9/10ths of the law” argument. It has legs, but it doesn’t always win out.

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