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EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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USB-C is inferior from the hardware/form standpoint. It's a larger, more fragile and flimsy connector (than lightning) which is very un-apple. It can be crimped shut if rolled on by a chair. Additionally the charging standards are a total mess, with PD and QC requiring compatible chargers and cables, which are often unlabeled.

I'm all for a great charging standard but USB-C ain't it.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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I would argue it is good enough it compensates for the hassle. I think USB-C is one of the first "good enough" connectors we have had for the arbitrary use-case. It's reversible. It's suitable for high-power and high-bandwidth use-cases. It's robust. micro-USB works ok for charging small devices, but would it really make sense to replace USB-A with it for plugging peripherals into your PC for example?

Fair point, but my lived experience of USB-C is that several of my Micro-USB cables dotted around now have little converter heads added. My tablets and battery packs (and other gizmos) still need the Micro-USB port so I can't just replace the cables. Yes, being able to plug in the connector both ways around is nice, but it wasn't that inconvenient not to be able to do that, especially when put against the inconvenien…

But again, this is if you think of USB-C as a replacement for Mini-USB and Micro-USB. USB-A remained an uncontested standard for roughly 30 years, and is now gradually being replaced by USB-C.

If USB-C has the same longevity, and can also replace small-form-factor connectors, that's a pretty big win right? It's not too bad to put up with a connector change 2-4 times in your life.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Very much agree. The port design of lightning is superior, too bad that now a law mandates Apple to sell the inferior solution. But that’s what you get when laws eliminate competition.

Bell Labs allowed others to produce transistor based hearing aids royalty free. Volvo allowed others to use a 3-point harness system royalty free. Apple created Lightning to solve a problem and wanted royalties on all products using it. Naturally, the market moved to another solution. While Lightning may be a good piece of technology, I think Apple is largely to blame for its demise. Standardization is good for consu…

USB-C, so good you’re forced to use it!

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Wow I Can't Believe My Android Phone Still Uses Micro-USB Since That Was Forced By Law!!! Please think about what you're saying for a moment

You've missed my point, which was that USB connectors on phones have changed over the years and the EU is locking devices into C.

In all fairness, why do Android devices not have to use Micro-USB now?

If they were mandated to do so by law, what were the conditions that have presumably un-bound them now?

Or are they all violating the Micro-USB law but being allowed to do so because it's obviously the common-sense thing to do?

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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There is no reason for USB to improve any further, because now it has to be used by law. Amazing that people still don’t get it.

Wait you think they somehow tried to compete with apple ? That's not how USB works.

If there is no better connector, why should the committee put any effort into developing anything better?

Tech history, and human history in general, is littered with examples. Especially in the old Warsaw Pact states.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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I will definitely switch to iPhone as soon as they come with USB-C. It feels like they're just not doing it out of spite - I already have 20 USB-C chargers and power banks for all of my hardware. If you've been in the Apple ecosystem for years, no, it probably won't matter to you and will probably annoy you more than what it's worth because you now need separate cables to charge your mouse and your phone.

Out of spite? What about it feeling out of spite to make this change for the tens of millions of users who have one or two or four sets of AirPods, and several wireless Apple keyboards and mice and trackpads, and various other gear, all of which uses Lightning? Some people need to remember that it's not all about them. And your USB-C chargers and power banks were and are perfectly capable of charging Lightning device…

I find this argument really funny since Apple already dropped lightning connectors on the newer IPADs in favor of USB C and already doesn't support lightning laptops.

I guess you'll have to figure out how to handle the slight inconvenience that Apple is putting their IPAD customers and laptop customers through.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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I hope they ban the 90% of sold usb-c looking cables that aren’t actually usb-c compliant. Someone needs to build a simple device you connect a cable to that stress tests it and shows a green or red light.

In EU I think this is no issue. All the cheapo usb pd cables I have bought off the German Amazon recently have been quite good and compliant.

Amazon voluntarily requires all USB-C cables sold to be USB-IF certified, starting in 2016, after the majority of cables for sale were exposed as being noncompliant safety hazards.

There is no EU law requiring any retailers to care, so far as I know, as long as the unsafe cables don’t have USB-IF logos printed on the connectors.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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I agree with the overall tone in the comments here: yay in general, but what a shame a law needs to specify a specific port for ~iPhones~ devices. I really like USB-C. It's sooo convenient to charge my notebook, my headphones, my phone, my everything with the same cable. However what bothers me since someone pointed it out to me: for phones, which are used all day in all kind of situations, lightning has a big andvan…

USB-C has the springs in the plug while the receptacle is only fixed contacts. Lightning on the other hand has the springs inside the receptacle.

This means that for USB-C you replace the cable when the springs wear out, but for Lightning you need to replace the port.

Cleaning lint out of a USB-C receptacle with a toothpick is safe, but sticking anything into a Lightning port could damage the springs.

Re: EU Passes Law to Switch iPhone to USB-C by End of 2024

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Why? I use the same Baseus 65-W power brick for two phones and two laptops very, very conveniently. And GAN chargers are a third of the size of traditional power bricks. Also, who cares about magsafe? Only Apple laptops have it. I think the move to USB-C is a smart one, it can even reach 100W. Speeds are insane too.

> Also, who cares about magsafe? Only Apple laptops have it. I wish more laptops had it. My old work HP laptop's USB-C port started having some play, so my monitor wouldn't always connect properly to it. Bump the desk, and the screen would start to flicker. The same monitor / cable works perfectly on other PCs. My new HP work laptop has the USB-C port so tight, that whenever I need to unplug the charger, it counts as…

Is MagSafe resistant to wear from connecting and disconnecting?
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