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Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I'll double down on the quoted line. Do you care about the laptop because it's ostensibly proof of corruption or because it tarnishes the reputation of the sitting president? If it's the latter then go pound sand. If it's the former, then good, let's investigate and root out the corruption and address it in a court of law. But that requires being open to treating similar treatment of corruption by the prior administr…

It's buried in my own verbiage, but this is the thrust of my reply. If you rely, for your mental picture of what is ... important and what can be dismissed, on the same institutions that suppress true stories and promote false ones, then how even are you making these choices? At the risk of distracting you from answering that question, I'll answer yours: partisan feuding is destroying the US, so I absolutely put coun…

You answered my question here[1] with Take in the information as a whole and sift out one's best guess. That's all anyone can do.

With respect, that's not all anyone can do, and it's not nearly enough. My answer[2] isn't perfect, but in order not to be influenced by partisan lies in a mediascape that is actively hostile to truth, one must be more active than that.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32617732

[2] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32617838

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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[...] support current Russian and its invasion to Ukraine. I picked a random video with Chomsky [1] about the topic and he calls the invasion a criminal act against international law in his first sentence. [1] https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=68Rh1tKx98k

There are tons of interviews and videos where he blames the U.S. and NATO for the war and sais that Ukraine must make concessions to the invaders, so yes that means being a supporter of the invasion and the regime that perpetrated it. If he is fully aware of the extent of the damage he is doing or it's just his misguided convictions, that's a different story.

No, that is not what support means. What you are describing is explaining Russian actions based on a specific world view and suggesting actions to improve the situation assuming the underlying world view is correct. The fact that those suggestions, if realized, might give Russia what it desired, does not imply support.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I would not have voted in the election if I knew about the laptop. True story about something that is true.

That was the only point about the laptop -- to smear Biden.

It’s relevance is for the American voter to decide, not the FBI or Zuckerberg.

The best part is that the attempted suppression only sheds even more light on it.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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So let me get this straight. Facebook has absolute control to limit the spread of a story or news on their platform. Facebook has absolute control to outright block specific content based on an algorithm they control. Facebook can and will editorialize content posted on their platform. Facebook has absolute control over the content that users see. Can someone, anyone, please explain to me why Facebook is not a publis…

section 230 is a wildly misunderstood law with many misconceptions. Contrary to popular belief, it doesn‘t make a clear distinction between platform and publisher.

Indeed. The word 'platform' doesn't appear in the entire section. The only time the word 'publisher' appears is:

  (1) Treatment of publisher or speaker
  No provider or user of an interactive computer service shall be treated as the publisher or speaker of any information provided by another information content provider.
https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/47/230

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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If this was a scandal involving one of the Trump children most of the media would be having a fit the FBI got involved like this… anyway I have literally no opinion on what the FBI (after affecting the election last time) or Facebook should do in this situation, it’s really tricky to decide what is best.

I have no idea what a scandal involving the Trump children would even mean either. Didn't Jared Kushner (who actually served in the White House) just get $2 billion from Saudi Arabia? And that was cool? So how many billions should Hunter get? And why should I care what the media (whoever that is) has a fit over?

I just think it’s useful to put yourself in the opposite position and play devils advocate to understand their arguments and reasoning. Unpopular on the internet I know. I didn’t know Jared was given $2bn that’s pretty brazen and should be illegal.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

I don't get it. Why did we ever consider the algorithms of private corporations as a fundamental or viable avenue for free speech to begin with? The owners and controllers of private algorithms will always have the ulterior motive(s) of protecting their interests. The fact that we (the software and information industry worldwide) have conditioned any society to think that algorithmic feeds are a representation of rea…

We didn't.

Facebook used to just be a timeline feed of all your friends interactions.

The day they changed to an algorithm is the day I said this crap is the end result and closed my account.

I guess y'all missed the message.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

Speech is free. Reach isn't.

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

Their algorithms don't just target specific topics, they target specific individuals too. Certain individuals have their social media content promoted while others have their social media content suppressed. I suspect that people are promoted or suppressed based on their stance towards the current power structure. If you say positive things about people in power and corporate entities, your content will reach more pe…

Or maybe people just don't care about some people and they aren't popular

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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post #12

This is the great fear of many come to pass - censorship by algorithm. Facebook didn't outright ban sharing of the Hunter Biden laptop stories like Twitter did, they instead tweaked their algorithm to prevent the story from spreading. We found out about it this time because Zuckerberg owned up to it, but what about next time? For all we know, Facebook, Google and Twitter are doing this right now on a range of other s…

> scary to think that just 2 to 3 corporations have the power to construct a false reality around us whats truly scary is not just the limited number but the fact that these corps are always aligned in the same political direction.

You know what is also scary, that most of higher education is also aligned in the same political direction. It's almost as if there is some correlation that comes with education

Re: Zuckerberg says FBI warning prompted Biden laptop story censorship

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I have no idea what a scandal involving the Trump children would even mean either. Didn't Jared Kushner (who actually served in the White House) just get $2 billion from Saudi Arabia? And that was cool? So how many billions should Hunter get? And why should I care what the media (whoever that is) has a fit over?

I just think it’s useful to put yourself in the opposite position and play devils advocate to understand their arguments and reasoning. Unpopular on the internet I know. I didn’t know Jared was given $2bn that’s pretty brazen and should be illegal.

Does the reasoning go beyond "it's ok when I do it"? Jared Kushner has been given things his entire life, from his Harvard entrance and degree (paid for by his father who actually spent time in prison thanks to Chris Christie) to his stint as a white house special advisor.

And I'm supposed to believe that anyone who thought all that was OK has a problem with Hunter Biden getting a salary from a company in Ukraine?

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