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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by skjoldr »

twawaaay wrote: post #334
skjoldr wrote: post #329

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ArchWiki is a well-known recommendation to every newbie who has technical needs. Quote: "PulseAudio will first look for configuration files in the home directory ~/.config/pulse/, and if they are not found, the system-wide configuration from /etc/pulse/ will be applied. Tip: It is strongly suggested not to edit system-wide configuration files, but rather edit user ones. Create the ~/.config/pulse directory, then copy…

I am sorry, I made a mistake, it was PipeWire not Pulse. https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/pipewire-config-files-just-d... I normally don't edit the text substantially after somebody responds but this time I corrected Pulse to PipeWire not to slander Pulse developers for no reason.

Eh, maybe this behavior was changed, but PipeWire works in the same way ATM:

"The PipeWire configuration template file is located in /usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf. You can copy and edit the file to /etc/pipewire/ or ~/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf. Since 0.3.45 you can also copy fragments of the config file to a file in the directories /usr/share/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d/, /etc/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d/ or ~/.config/pipewire/pipewire.conf.d/."

TBH, while this is a common pattern across Linux applications, the thought to look for override location in the /home folder comes solely from experience and I am not aware of any place suggesting it. I tend to treat all of root as if it was an immutable file system that is a hassle to edit manually. Saves a lot of headache.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by xdfgh1112 »

jabits wrote: post #335
xdfgh1112 wrote: post #323

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I'm happy with what I have. Why try for more, that just leads to misery when things "have" to be a certain way for you to be happy. It's the sunset cigar thing. Guy watches the sunset from his porch every evening. One day he smokes a cigar at the same time. Loves it. Now he HAS to smoke a cigar every evening or he can't enjoy it. What has he gained?

A man sleeps on the floor every night; one night he sleeps on a mattress and now needs a mattress every night…

Bad analogy. Nobody is satisfied with sleeping on a bare floor.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jeroenhd »

trelane wrote: post #161
jeroenhd wrote: post #110

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With modern laptops you can definitely get at least 10+ hours of work out of them but that wildly depends on how well the power curves are configured. If you're in luck the ones that Linux uses are good for your use case and you'll get great performance out of your laptop out of the box, if you're out of luck you'll have the tweak all kinds of settings to get more than five hours of battery life out of a laptop. The…

Where are the power curves stored?

The OS can regulate large parts of the performance curves but some of the configuration is in the microcode/firmware AFAIK to allow laptops designed for a certain thermal load to not exceed that load for too long rather than let the CPU fall back on thermal throttling at a less opportune time. I know Lenovo has a Windows driver that will boost performance of the CPU and GPU if you enable performance mode, even going so far as pre-spinning the fans in anticipation of what you're doing.

I'm not sure how the modern system works because CPU performance characteristics have changed quite significantly over the past few years.

Most desktop chips seem to follow very similar Intel/AMD curves anyway, but I know Apple used to aggressively tweak Intel CPUs to boost high very quickly whenever there was an interactive load (opening a program, clicking a link etc.) to help make the system feel responsive despite their terrible cooling solutions. A lot of their chips really couldn't take a load for too long before slowing down drastically, but most work by most people is in bursts so outside of areas like gaming and simulation you probably can't even notice.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Gareth321 »

arminiusreturns wrote: post #322
Gareth321 wrote: post #295

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> How about we also include how MS infiltrated the education system with hidden incentives and essentially forced training in a non-free user hostile operating system to multiple genrations of people? When was the last time you used Windows? Microsoft employees a small army of user experience designers to ensure it’s a great experience. It’s not perfect, but I can do everything I need to do using the GUI. This isn’t…

Holistic "experience" to me includes privacy protections. Windows spies on the user at every turn. GUI elements are not hard to get right. Launchers make it all even easier.

That's fair. For those who value privacy over ease of use, Linux is the way to go. I'm just not sure that group is very large. I don't, for example.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by tpoacher »

cycomanic wrote: post #175
jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…

Yeah, it's a bit like "A windows machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable editing registry entries".

Or "A mac is not for someone who isn't comfortable with hidden system files".

I.e. things the average user doesn't interact with anyway, and if they have to they'll probably do it by following a couple of steps blindly from the internet and that is that.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Gareth321 »

cycomanic wrote: post #331
Gareth321 wrote: post #290

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No one is claiming Linux is bad for very basic users. It’s fine for people who only ever use bowsers. Linux is also great for developers. It’s most of us in between who struggle. The last time I booted up Ubuntu I couldn’t even adjust the mouse acceleration without spending 10 minutes on Google and more time installing an additional tool. I tried to install Radarr - a very popular home media server app. The instructi…

I disagree on not using the cli for installing things etc. Instructions on commands are much easier than instruction about the gui, because they are easily copy pastable. One example i encounter quite a bit, the instructions for installing python and packages for building cython modules. I have students who are very much intermediate Windows users, but explaining to them how to get the development (they need python f…

Your use case is for developers, and as above, I agree that CLI is easier for that demographic. I am referring to the people between developers and "only ever use browsers." For them I strongly disagree with the notion of telling them to blindly copy and paste sudo commands into terminal. And if the implication is that they should just become proficient with using terminal, then I strongly disagree with anyone having to learn a new skill to install and configure apps and services. We have easy, well tested and well adopted conventions for software now. It's time to accept what is, instead of fighting for what you think others should like.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Gareth321 »

rad_gruchalski wrote: post #347
Gareth321 wrote: post #290

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No one is claiming Linux is bad for very basic users. It’s fine for people who only ever use bowsers. Linux is also great for developers. It’s most of us in between who struggle. The last time I booted up Ubuntu I couldn’t even adjust the mouse acceleration without spending 10 minutes on Google and more time installing an additional tool. I tried to install Radarr - a very popular home media server app. The instructi…

> The instruction manual required is absurd: https://wiki.servarr.com/radarr/installation There exists a Docker image: https://hotio.dev/containers/radarr/ . It does not appear to be absurd: https://github.com/hotio/radarr/blob/release/linux-amd64.Doc... .

While true, this appears to require the CLI. As above, I strongly believe that the CLI should never ever, for any reason ever, be required to install apps. Dockers are also not exactly plug and play, and some understanding of what dockers are, how to maintain them, how to grant file and folder permissions, and how to update packages is required. Your suggestion presents a new set of problems.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Gareth321 »

bstar77 wrote: post #310
Gareth321 wrote: post #290

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No one is claiming Linux is bad for very basic users. It’s fine for people who only ever use bowsers. Linux is also great for developers. It’s most of us in between who struggle. The last time I booted up Ubuntu I couldn’t even adjust the mouse acceleration without spending 10 minutes on Google and more time installing an additional tool. I tried to install Radarr - a very popular home media server app. The instructi…

I've had these issues with Gnome and Gnome derivatives. Give KDE Plasma a try. The UI/UX situation is vastly different (this is coming from a Gnome lifer).

Thanks! I think my next attempt will be some flavour of Arch.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Gareth321 »

klibertp wrote: post #317
Gareth321 wrote: post #290

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No one is claiming Linux is bad for very basic users. It’s fine for people who only ever use bowsers. Linux is also great for developers. It’s most of us in between who struggle. The last time I booted up Ubuntu I couldn’t even adjust the mouse acceleration without spending 10 minutes on Google and more time installing an additional tool. I tried to install Radarr - a very popular home media server app. The instructi…

> I tried to install Radarr - a very popular home media server app. The instruction manual required is absurd: https://wiki.servarr.com/radarr/installation That's because it's written by developers. Devs are generally really poor at explaining things and they rarely have enough empathy to even notice that "normal people" might not necessarily understand (or care) as to why would they be better off compiling software…

>That's because it's written by developers.

I understand this is the fault of the developer, but that's not my problem. I'm a consumer and I want my application to install in under 60 seconds like it does in Windows. Too many developers rely on the CLI in Linux, and this means that, too often, my Linux experience is much worse than my Windows experience. I don't care who is to blame. It just is.

>Though it's probably better left to people who want to use it, not people who are forced to use it; kind of like regedit.exe was always shipped with Windows, even though 99%[3] of users didn't (need to) know of its existence.

I agree. To be clear, the CLI has many benefits. It just has so few, comparatively, in the consumer space, and developers seem adamant to push consumers to use the CLI in Linux. For 99% of my use cases, everything is easier and faster in a GUI.

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