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Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by cycomanic »

Gareth321 wrote: post #290
cycomanic wrote: post #175

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't want to comment much on the rest, but the whole trope of: a Linux machine is not for someone who isn't comfortable with the cli" needs to die. My partner is essentially computer illiterate (she didn't know about keyboard shortcuts, even for copy paste before we met and still doesn't really use them) and has been using my old Ubuntu laptop for years. The only thing I do is tell her from time to time not just t…

No one is claiming Linux is bad for very basic users. It’s fine for people who only ever use bowsers. Linux is also great for developers. It’s most of us in between who struggle. The last time I booted up Ubuntu I couldn’t even adjust the mouse acceleration without spending 10 minutes on Google and more time installing an additional tool. I tried to install Radarr - a very popular home media server app. The instructi…

I disagree on not using the cli for installing things etc. Instructions on commands are much easier than instruction about the gui, because they are easily copy pastable.

One example i encounter quite a bit, the instructions for installing python and packages for building cython modules. I have students who are very much intermediate Windows users, but explaining to them how to get the development (they need python for experiment control and analysis) environment going is really painful. They often take days to get in going. On the other hand Linux users are much easier, I just give them the commands to install the packages in an email.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by nathanasmith »

rcv wrote: post #234
jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

I have a 17" Oryx Pro that I've been using as my daily driver for work. It's basically a luggable, but I mostly love it. The thing I really miss from my old Apple laptop though is rock-solid suspend behavior. I feel like I can leave my Macbook closed for a week, and it will barely lose any battery life. When I bring home my System76 and leave it in my bag over the weekend, it will always be dead by Monday morning.

>When I bring home my System76 and leave it in my bag over the weekend, it will always be dead by Monday morning.

You may be interested in this systemd script I found on the Debian wiki[0] that enables hibernation and power off after a preset amount of time in suspend. I've been using it with my Thinkpads and it works great. Any time I close the lid it goes into suspend then if I don't use the computer for an hour (this is configurable in the script) it happily goes into hibernate.

[0]https://wiki.debian.org/SystemdSuspendSedation

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by JamesSwift »

tssva wrote: post #298
jmondi wrote: post #150

I had this laptop, but ultimately replaced it with a 14” M1 Max. Some thoughts: - The screen is so much worse, in every way, than a MacBook. A “low resolution” (more like, not high dpi) matte screen vs the M1 screen, there is no comparison. When I first got this machine, my eyes would have to adjust to the screen, and it felt so blurry compared to my works retina Touch Bar Mac - PopOS is great! It is definitely one o…

When I used MacOS I had to spend at least as much time at the command line as I do with Linux. If we are going to rate OS's by how much time is needed at the command line I think Windows is likely to win that battle. I found MacOS not any more usable or stable than Windows had been on my prior laptop. The hardware was less reliable than the Thinkpad my MacBook Pro replaced and repairs were outrageously expensive. I h…

I honestly cant think of a single thing I've ever needed to drop to the command line to fix on a mac. Maybe changing time machine backup process priority so it would run faster? And that was a want, not a need.

Unless you mean _working from the command line_ rather than fixing issues with the OS from the command line?

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by twawaaay »

skjoldr wrote: post #329
twawaaay wrote: post #324

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I agree, if you install and never do anything with it it will usually work. But that isn't very high bar for usability. What about people who actually use their machines for anything else than just browsing Internets? I had people break it even in this relatively simple case. I'll give you an example. I am using an external DAC (connected over Toslink). It starts up automatically when it detects digital audio signal…

ArchWiki is a well-known recommendation to every newbie who has technical needs. Quote: "PulseAudio will first look for configuration files in the home directory ~/.config/pulse/, and if they are not found, the system-wide configuration from /etc/pulse/ will be applied. Tip: It is strongly suggested not to edit system-wide configuration files, but rather edit user ones. Create the ~/.config/pulse directory, then copy…

I am sorry, I made a mistake, it was PipeWire not Pulse.

https://ask.fedoraproject.org/t/pipewire-config-files-just-d...

I normally don't edit the text substantially after somebody responds but this time I corrected Pulse to PipeWire not to slander Pulse developers for no reason.

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by jabits »

xdfgh1112 wrote: post #323
vorpalhex wrote: post #251

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Don't knock it till you try it. 80% of my usage is text - terminal, code or my notes. Even most of my web usage is text. I won't go less than a high dpi screen, preferably near 4k.

I'm happy with what I have. Why try for more, that just leads to misery when things "have" to be a certain way for you to be happy. It's the sunset cigar thing. Guy watches the sunset from his porch every evening. One day he smokes a cigar at the same time. Loves it. Now he HAS to smoke a cigar every evening or he can't enjoy it. What has he gained?

A man sleeps on the floor every night; one night he sleeps on a mattress and now needs a mattress every night…

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by bonif »

donatj wrote: post #67
dugmartin wrote: post #46

I'm wondering with the (permanent?) switch to work from home if laptop sales will go down. I've replaced both my personal and work laptops with System76 Meerkat mini PCs both running stock Unbuntu using Regolith for the desktop environment ( https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat ). They are stacked on top of each other on my desk and take up next to no space. I work from home (and have since 1999) and don't travel fo…

I bought a MacStudio after years of being burned by Apples poor thermals. Turns out there’s basically zero advantage over the current MacBook Pro. Kind of wish I had just gotten the MBP so I could work on the couch or bring it on vacation, although my wife noted she was glad I didn’t have my laptop over the fourth this year.

I bought an M1 Max Mac Studio, and it ROCKS

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by shrimp_emoji »

wooque wrote: post #140
dugmartin wrote: post #46

I'm wondering with the (permanent?) switch to work from home if laptop sales will go down. I've replaced both my personal and work laptops with System76 Meerkat mini PCs both running stock Unbuntu using Regolith for the desktop environment ( https://system76.com/desktops/meerkat ). They are stacked on top of each other on my desk and take up next to no space. I work from home (and have since 1999) and don't travel fo…

It won't. I'm using laptops since early 2000. Ability to take your computer to couch, bed, terrace, park, etc is irreplaceable. I do wonder why desktops still exist.

Laptops suck and always will relative to desktops.

Desktops are more powerful, more upgradeable, and have better display and interface devices.

"Having a computer" is a much higher priority to me than going places. That means "desktop" because it means having all the perks above. The most expensive gaming laptop will suck compared to a mid-tier gaming desktop. You can't squeeze the biggest cards and the best cooling or tons of beefy hard drives in a laptop. Laptops are a fundamental compromise to aforementioned "computerness" for the sake of portability, which to me is a bad deal. Anything that offers more convenience (and marketability) will compromise its core qualities. Phones are the next step down that road from laptops.

It would be nice to magically take my desktop to the couch (I don't own a couch but figuratively), bed, terrace, or park, but not as nice as using a desktop instead of a laptop is in every other way. Wireless headphones help though. :p

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Hellion »

cycomanic wrote: post #331
Gareth321 wrote: post #290

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No one is claiming Linux is bad for very basic users. It’s fine for people who only ever use bowsers. Linux is also great for developers. It’s most of us in between who struggle. The last time I booted up Ubuntu I couldn’t even adjust the mouse acceleration without spending 10 minutes on Google and more time installing an additional tool. I tried to install Radarr - a very popular home media server app. The instructi…

I disagree on not using the cli for installing things etc. Instructions on commands are much easier than instruction about the gui, because they are easily copy pastable. One example i encounter quite a bit, the instructions for installing python and packages for building cython modules. I have students who are very much intermediate Windows users, but explaining to them how to get the development (they need python f…

First of all, training users to copy stuff into a terminal is just a bad idea.

Also, youre basically suggested that users use a GUI (a web browser) to get instructions on how to use a command line.

It makes a lot more sense for there to be a clear and easy to use package manager, and if users are having trouble figuring that out, work needs to be done to rectify that.

Also, if you’re targeting power users who are familiar with the command line, that’s one thing. But right now linux desktop feels like it wants to be everything for everyone and that’s a very hard rope to walk

Re: System76 Lemur Pro Linux laptop with 14 hours of battery life

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Post by Fnoord »

addicted wrote: post #265
loudmax wrote: post #207

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The issue is that open source distributions don't have access to the level of testing and quality control that the proprietary desktop duopoly do. Microsoft and Apple can spend millions of dollars to make it very unlikely that a system update will break your system. And even if when it breaks, there is such a large user base that a solution will usually be easy to find. Linux ditros don't have that. In my experience,…

And yet, I have never heard of a Linux update which bricked your system, something that has happened with both Windows and OSX. https://www.tomsguide.com/news/this-macos-update-is-bricking... https://www.itpro.com/hardware/358739/apple-releases-macos-u... https://www.laptopmag.com/news/windows-10-update-now-brickin... Searching Linux update bricking systems brought up nothing relevant. The closest I could find was a…

You have not heard of it? Well, you're replying to someone who's using Arch. With Arch, you get into trouble all the time, but if you're well versed with Linux (and Arch) you can fix it.

I'm using Arch, and ZFS, on my work laptop. A month ago, when I update my kernel, boom I had to use Systemrescue because it would no longer boot ZFS root. And of course just at that day I lost my Ventoy USB stick (probably my 2 y.o. son got rid of it ...)

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