> The sad part of democracy is that it aims to represent the views of the voting majority.
That's warped by the fact that rural votes count more than urban votes thanks to the electoral college.
Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade
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#362There's this belief that society always moves in a "forward/upward" directory, where we become more advanced, more enlightened and more moral. But this is not the case and sometimes we regress.
A contrarian argument would say that protecting life - especially young life - is a more enlightened and moral direction.
I am not arguing here.
But there are some stages in the life of a human fetus that is less sentient than a monkey, a horse, a dog, a fly, an ant, etc.
Do you think abortion should be illegal at all stages?
And, do you think that abortion should be illegal even if the woman faces life threatning risks?
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#363"In a solo concurring opinion, Thomas says the court should reconsider rulings that protect contraception, same-sex relationships, and same-sex marriage." https://twitter.com/fordm/status/1540338064324698112
Rich given he is a black man married to a white women. Cherry picks cases for same-sex marriage but not cases allowing inter-racial marriage.
Equal protection cannot protect that which is unequal. For example, I doubt an equal protection challenge to unequal lengths of maternity / paternity leave would stand, given the obvious difference in what's happening. The sexes, when it comes to things like business participation and innovation, may be equal in ability. However, if one views marriage as a precursor to reproduction -- the historical view of marriage -- then it's quite clear that the sexes are not equal, whereas the races (for whatever conception of race you have) are.
It has been abundantly clear to everyone that a black man can impregnate a white woman. And a black woman can have children with a white man. If this act (reproduction) is what marriage is about, then the sexes are not equal, and thus not worthy of equal protection. A man cannot impregnate a man. Whereas, any race can impregnate / be impregnated by any other race as far as we can tell.
If you have evidence to the contrary (that both sexes are identical when it comes to reproduction, which is the historical view of marriage Thomas may adhere to; or that various races cannot interbreed), then please do share.
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#364Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…
Yes I agree the legal system should be apolitical, they should be elected instead of appointed, and there should be an age limit, plus it's just odd those judges never retires, congress is 4-years, senate is 6, what about a 8-year-term for supreme court just like everybody else(longer term for 'stability', life long term is ridiculous to me).
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#365Supreme Court has shoot itself in the foot. It they can overturn their own decisions based on political schemes, then we can overturn EVERYTHING they do, including this decision itself.
I'm surprised this is news to anyone. Why do you think Republicans fought so hard to own the courts?
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#366Separate abortion from Roe v. Wade. The big challenge has been that Roe v. Wade was horribly decided. Even RBG thought so. Roe v wade gave the Supreme Court the right to make law without reference to any text in the constitution. Casey tried to change the justification but it still was a disaster. Sadly it is far from the only time the Supreme Court has made things up out of whole cloth that has had massive societal…
While I'm a strong supporter of abortion rights, I agree with this logic. If anything, this will force conservatives to solidify and clarify their views on abortion which will allow voters to decide where they land on the spectrum of abortion rights. Whereas before, conservatives just deferred to "abortion bad. look at supreme court decision". Also, is it not the case that most Americans support some abortion rights?…
Agreed, it will also make democracy more granular and for the lack of a better word: authentic. Citizens can vote their way for pro or anti Abortion issues and kick out electives that do not support their preferences.
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#367Looking at this ruling and the one a few days ago on arms - could someone explain to me why they're wrong legally? FYI I'm not American and personally am in favour of legalised abortion + severe gun restrictions. My understanding is these rulings are both based on the constitution. The one on guns seems really straightforward: "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of th…
That line is simply fallacious in the modern context. A well regulated militia is "not necessary to the security of a free state".
Re: Supreme Court Overturns Roe vs. Wade
#368Separate abortion from Roe v. Wade. The big challenge has been that Roe v. Wade was horribly decided. Even RBG thought so. Roe v wade gave the Supreme Court the right to make law without reference to any text in the constitution. Casey tried to change the justification but it still was a disaster. Sadly it is far from the only time the Supreme Court has made things up out of whole cloth that has had massive societal…
While I'm a strong supporter of abortion rights, I agree with this logic. If anything, this will force conservatives to solidify and clarify their views on abortion which will allow voters to decide where they land on the spectrum of abortion rights. Whereas before, conservatives just deferred to "abortion bad. look at supreme court decision". Also, is it not the case that most Americans support some abortion rights?…
> is it not the case that most Americans support some abortion rights?
Most Americans support some form of universal access to health care as well - some variation of single payer, or public option, or similar. That is nowhere reflected in state-level policy in many many states.
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#369This was inevitable. The law isn’t well justified. Abortion depends on privacy rights? It makes no sense…
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#370So this raises some interesting questions. What if an American person wishing to have an abortion just travels to another country where it's legal to get it done? Can they be arrested upon return? If so, does that mean that all Europeans that had an abortion could be liable to prosecution in the US if they choose to visit? Not that I expect a huge impact to tourism etc. I've seen gay football fans willing to go to Qa…
Why would those women go to a different country instead of a different state?
Because Roe Vs Wade was overturned federally wasn't it? So it applies in all states?