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The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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There's a considerable asymmetry here between men and women. I'm really curious about sussing it out and understanding how it develops. At an early age, about 5 or so I was exposed to sex, with peers, male/female. Later I was raped through coercion by two older children at 10-ish, male/female. Additionally none of this was ever reported until adulthood. As a male I've repeatedly been put in positions that I could des…

this is the sort of conversation that must be conducted very delicately, but it is something I have also wondered, having had similar experiences myself. quite a few times I have experienced unwanted sexual advances/touching/groping in public spaces from women I considered friends, in front of our other friends. I don't consider those events traumatic, but certainly uncomfortable at the time. I never knew what to do,…

>this is the sort of conversation that must be conducted very delicately,

Only because of the context.

If this were a conversation behind closed doors you could say what you wanted, people could disagree and eventually mutual understanding of people's opinions could be reached despite initial clumsy or imprecise wording.

But this is an internet conversation where if you pick the wrong words, speak too broadly or fail carpet bomb every sentence with carve outs for exceptions and special cases some jerk will swoop in and post a low effort rebuttal for the easy karma and off the rails it goes from there.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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post #207

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There is a similar social issue waiting to blow up regarding genetic screening. Estimates are that 10-15% of children are from infidelity

>Estimates are that 10-15% of children are from infidelity Extremely Misleading, from the studies I've seen these high numbers are percentage of people seeking paternity tests, not from the general public as a whole. If you're seeking a paternity test you already are suspecting infidelity.

That's a very astute observation, one that I've personally seen overlooked several times by people using that data point to support their argument. That kind of statistical begging-the-question annoys me to no end.

The number I've heard from people who quote it is all over the map, sometimes it's 10%, or 20%, even as high as 50%, but I've not once seen a citation of any of them. So I'm inclined to treat that statistic as BS unless proven otherwise. But as you say, even a legit number is probably misleading due to the circumstances surrounding the data gathering.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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post #207

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>Estimates are that 10-15% of children are from infidelity Extremely Misleading, from the studies I've seen these high numbers are percentage of people seeking paternity tests, not from the general public as a whole. If you're seeking a paternity test you already are suspecting infidelity.

That's a very astute observation, one that I've personally seen overlooked several times by people using that data point to support their argument. That kind of statistical begging-the-question annoys me to no end. The number I've heard from people who quote it is all over the map, sometimes it's 10%, or 20%, even as high as 50%, but I've not once seen a citation of any of them. So I'm inclined to treat that statisti…

>but I've not once seen a citation of any of them

I have, which is why I brought it up. Any time people throw out such absurdly high numbers and provide "evidence" there always is "...seeking paternity testing..." in the methodology. Always.

It's absurd how people could overlook this, it's like if you counted the times Maury Povich says "you are not the father" and used it to say anything about the general population.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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I mean quite seriously that putting children in romantic, intimate relationships is legal in America. Only 6 states have banned marrying children. I’m emphasizing this because I want to point out the degree in which sexual violence is normalized, to the point where 5 percent of women in a study who believed they weren’t sexually abused might realize they have been and be dropped out of the study is totally within the…

Excuse me for asking but you keep saying children without mentioning particular age. In the case of Roma bride markets, I've been quoted age 12 and beyond. Quite young at the lower end, no doubt, but at the risk of drawing people's wrath, 16 and above, while bad, isn't that horrible... until we get back to our senses and realize the whole thing sucks because they are forced or at least strongly encouraged to do it.

There are states where there is no minimum limit for child marriage.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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post #171

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I'd be interested to see this study repeated with male victims. I think each sex has its own issues when sexually victimized: - Females, of course, can get pregnant, and our assaults are more likely to be physically painful. - Males have zero social support and are far more stigmatized for being victimized, and they also have less of a support network/are more isolated than females on average. They also have fewer re…

> [...] our assaults are more likely to be physically painful. I'm not saying you're wrong, but I wonder why you think this is the case?

It's a good question!

I think this because:

Rape (and sexual assault in general) are (usually) the result of a combination of power dynamics + sex. The other main assumption I'm making is that women are mostly sexually assaulted by men, and that men are sexually assaulted by both women and men in fairly equal numbers. (I think that women are as likely to be effed up in the head as men, but a substantial amount of male victims are victimized in male-only or default situations like the military or prison, and if all the people around you are men, all the assholes and rapists are too.)

So, examining each component separately:

Sex is going to be based on what sex acts are most common, and the most common male-female configurations focused on male pleasure have pain as a possibility for the female. Forcible vaginal penetration hurts more physically than being forced to penetrate, and being forced to gag on a penis is, in my opinion, more likely to cause pain than forced cunnilingus. So the acts themselves are more likely to cause physical pain.

With regard to power dynamics, I think most females are assaulted by men and those men are going to use their physical superiority more often (because it's the power tool they use). For male victims, I would guess whether or not their experience was physically painful would depend a lot on both the sex of their assaulter and how old they were at the time. I would expect boys that are victimized as children would be more likely to report physical pain since, like with adult women victims, there is often a physical strength differential between victim and assaulter. (Or, for example, I was physically abused by a woman as a child, and she was stronger than me.) I would also expect more physical pain from men who are sexually assaulted by other men in a social space where physical prowess is important.

The flip side of this is that I think men who are sexually assaulted by women are more likely to experience social and emotional pain/turmoil. Much like men are taught to wield their muscles as weapons, women are taught to wield our social abilities, and a woman who wants to humiliate a man or assert power over him is more likely to gaslight him, convince him to gaslight himself, etc. than beat the crap out of him. You also see this when some asshole women are dismissive of men getting erections during an assault. "He's hard, he wanted it."

I'd also hate to compare the experiences and I wouldn't say one is worse than the other. I think we should understand the variables that might cause differing results so that we can support all the victims. A focus on self-defense and overcoming feeling weak isn't going to help a male victim who could have physically stopped his attacker but didn't for social reasons: They need validation of their experiences and decisions. You know?

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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It sounds like the professor made it clear she was speaking in terms of population averages. So unless you can find empirical evidence that those statistics don't apply to that slice of the population, then there's absolutely no problem with what she said. She didn't say "15 of the men in this class are rapists." Law students aren't learning to be statisticians, epidemiologists, or policy wonks. Emotionally moving pe…

The odds that a group of 100 law students would perfectly represent the overall population are astronomical. You cannot extend population-level averages to a group of people without first proving that group is representative of the population.

You essentially restated the criticism I responded to.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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[trigger warning] I'm a woman. I was physically and sexually abused by my father as a child. The impact it's had on me is painful to describe. I was working as a software engineer in the tech industry and was constantly experiencing PTSD symptoms being surrounded by men -- though by no fault of their own, it was totally because of what my father did to me. It's been a frustrating journey. The sexual abuse happened to…

I was drugged unconscious by a gay man in my early 20s, and "thankfully" I became conscious at the beginning of whatever he had planned; it took me months to even realize something had happened due to whatever drug he dosed me with fucked up my memory. I had used MDMA recreationally years later and I knew that had helped my PTSD some, but it was only when I did a session years later in a therapeutic setting, just mys…

I love that this got a few downvotes.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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Excuse me for asking but you keep saying children without mentioning particular age. In the case of Roma bride markets, I've been quoted age 12 and beyond. Quite young at the lower end, no doubt, but at the risk of drawing people's wrath, 16 and above, while bad, isn't that horrible... until we get back to our senses and realize the whole thing sucks because they are forced or at least strongly encouraged to do it.

There are states where there is no minimum limit for child marriage.

Doesn't that collide with age of consent? I am having a hard time believing this

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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There are states where there is no minimum limit for child marriage.

Doesn't that collide with age of consent? I am having a hard time believing this

> Doesn't that collide with age of consent?

Typically (though you can probably find exceptions to either or both), modern low or no limits for child marriage systems feature:

1. Parental consent laws for marriage below a certain age, and

2. Marital exceptions to age of consent laws for sex.

Re: The impact of sexual abuse on female development: a longitudinal study

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post #356

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I have to imagine the defendants who opt for a bench trial have reasons for making that choice that don't necessarily apply to the defendants who choose a jury trial.

So the ones who choose Bench trial are more likely to be innocent?

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