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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by PragmaticPulp » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:19 PM UTC

tibbydudeza wrote: post #120

Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff and insurance companies are now following suit because they got hammered with life insurance payouts for 2020 and first half of 2021. Waiting for retailers to announce this as well at some point.

> Our largest healthcare provider has already mandated vaccines for their staff

Seems reasonable to expect people working with many sick and vulnerable patients in a healthcare setting to be vaccinated. That’s one of the highest risk scenarios I can think of for exposure and transmission as well as the most likely place to concentrate vulnerable patients.

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by giantg2 » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

supergeek133 wrote: post #329

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

It's also the urban centers from the rest of some states. For instance I live in MN, the city center is very blue and the rest of the state is not.

This ^

It's mostly urban vs rural, even on the coasts and in states like CA.

Visual: https://brilliantmaps.com/2016-county-election-map/

Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by [deleted] » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

disneygibson wrote: post #353

Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate. We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

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Re: OSHA to require employers with 100 employees vaccinate or test workforce

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Post by robmccoll » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

Ekaros wrote: post #258

I wonder should we also start mandating yearly influenza shots from everyone? And bar those who are not tested or vaccinated from work places? It would certainly save some lives wouldn't it?

Yeah what's next? Making other behaviors that have a small but established likelihood of endangering the lives of others or their property illegal at little to no cost to the liberty of an individual? Pretty soon I won't be able to drive my car under the influence, or without proper insurance, or while not wearing a seatbelt, or I won't be able to discharge my firearms in my 0.2 acre backyard in a suburban area.

650,000 people have died and that's with taking some pretty extreme precautions (for what we consider extreme anyway). It's not just the old or the infirm. Healthy people in their 20s and 30s. Toddlers. We have gone to war over much less.

We have a ton of safety regulations that govern how we build homes and infrastructure, how we plan for fires and natural disasters, how you live your daily life, and pretty much anything else because they are effective and do save lives. This one seems reasonable (mandatory COVID vaccination - influenza vaccines are significantly less effective and in general the people that die from it society seems to be ok with).

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Post by jacob2484 » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

xgb84j wrote: post #330

dadoge wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me guess, seat belt mandates are also “authoritarian”? What about measles vaccine requirements? Have you complained about those recently? Believe it or not, there was a time when measles wasn’t a thing and very few question the need for a measles vaccine now. What about the broad polio vaccine rollout? Vaccine hesitancy has been a thing, but never this strongly along party lines

The main problem that I and many others have is not the policy of the month but how targets are shifting. When the measels vaccine was introduced it was clear that after one or two shots you were safe for many years if not for life. Seatbelts are not an irreversible medical procedure. So my problem and the problem of many others is not focused on the policies in effect right now, but the direction in which the polici…

^this

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Post by vinay427 » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

xgb84j wrote: post #330

dadoge wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me guess, seat belt mandates are also “authoritarian”? What about measles vaccine requirements? Have you complained about those recently? Believe it or not, there was a time when measles wasn’t a thing and very few question the need for a measles vaccine now. What about the broad polio vaccine rollout? Vaccine hesitancy has been a thing, but never this strongly along party lines

The main problem that I and many others have is not the policy of the month but how targets are shifting. When the measels vaccine was introduced it was clear that after one or two shots you were safe for many years if not for life. Seatbelts are not an irreversible medical procedure. So my problem and the problem of many others is not focused on the policies in effect right now, but the direction in which the polici…

> If I had thought one or two years ago how the CCP was going to handle the pandemic,

In that case, it would be quite an inaccurate prediction on your part given that the CCP/China actually handled their lockdowns and continue to manage quarantining with far more stringency than the US, Germany, and France. You're drawing a comparison between the three western countries and a fictional China that wasn't borne out in reality.

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Post by md_ » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

disneygibson wrote: post #353

Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything. And to think that our ancestors sailed across the oceans into the unknown and faced diseases, war, famine, and worse. Now we are instituting a surveillance state in the name of a fairly bad flu virus with a 99% survival rate. We really need a new frontier. Hopefully space travel happens before human beings become completely domesticated.

> Inevitable outcome in a society that is terrified of everything.

I agree. Lots of folks afraid to take a shot that's been well-studied and given to millions and is, in all probability, quite safe. ;)

I chalk it up to the youth, who are selfish and only able to think about themselves and their Friendster ranks and how many YouTubes they have on the FaceSpace.

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Post by adamrezich » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

kaydub wrote: post #205

reidjs wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Are you guys irreplaceable?

No, they're definitely replaceable.

you wish! the whole point of hiring me was to have somebody younger learn the ropes of how our complex, outdated, and undocumented systems work. if the senior programmer gets fired, especially right as the school year is just starting, there's no way the other programmer can handle 100% of department responsibilities. and that's assuming she's willing to follow such a mandate anyway! she's out of office for a week so I haven't been able to ask her.

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Post by pwinnski » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:20 PM UTC

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322

DaftDank wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

Lincoln's second inaugural address[0] spells out why in some detail.

0. https://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=false&doc=38&page...

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Post by manquer » Fri, Sep 10, 2021, 1:21 PM UTC

da_big_ghey wrote: post #322

DaftDank wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's always been two Americas, if not more. We've just tried to fool ourselves into believing otherwise for a long time.

Then why did we fight a war on keeping them together. Maybe both would be happier if south and middle states split from coast ones.

Money/economy was certainly a big reason.

Back in 1860s, cotton and other plantation heavy industries where very lucrative, the southern states were very wealthy enough to be able to field a big army for years, while they lacked strong industry to support an extended campaign.

Also manifest destiny and especially Monroe doctorine all pre dated the civil war, there was certainly strong idealogoical belief on who the continent was for.