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I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…
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Abortion is another example of > My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy and also something that is typically condemned by the anti-vax crowd. The comment implies hypocrisy.
Well this would then apply to the other side too - being pro-vaccine and pro-abortion is the same kind of hypocrisy.
> I'm not sure how abortion relates to this.
Not sure who you’re arguing with here.
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One key difference is that a lack of exercise doesn't put your office mates at risk.
Unfit people are more likely to contract the flu and spread it around.
I work at google and am vaxxed but this pisses me off. I decided that the vaccine was worth the risk and for the best overall but if someone makes a different calculus I can understand and respect that. IMHO they gone way outside the reasonable scope of an employer - this is a cultural decision at the society level - why the fuck does my employer give a shit about this. Unless the employees are only commuting back an…
It’s funny though how you say this phrase for a vaccine and not for the hundreds of other riskier situations you face daily. “I drove a car…risk was worth it I decided”. It sounds a bit self-important. Vaccines are just something you do. For me it was not a decision. It’s an interesting exploration in psychology where people oppose something mostly because they are told to do it. Like a teenage rebellion attitude. I get this feeling when I feel like I am being taken advantage of or have been recently.
I can imagine it’s tough being a Google employee in the SJW era. There are a thousands ways they tell you you need to change. New language, etc. Constant unrelenting bullshit that you cannot oppose.
I think this is a way for people to take back control of something because they feel a loss of control in other areas.
Just like brexit, people want to go against things because of the people telling them to do something.
Google shouldn’t tell me. The government shouldn’t tell me. SJWs shouldn’t tell me.
But sadly I don’t think there is a way around this. But I do think the SJWs and vaccine/mask crusaders make things much worse.
To be perfectly clear, they are mandating employees be vaccinated if they want to physically go in to an office, not to do (or keep) their jobs.
Exactly -- people are still free to not get vaccinated, but they're not free to go to aggregate settings where they might infect everyone there, which seems like a reasonable compromise. It's the same approach as with antivax parents -- don't want your kids vaccinated? Then you'll need to homeschool them.
So as long as it can be ensured that the unvaccinated won't infect others (e.g. through testing), they should not be forbidden from participating in society. This is not justified by the current course of the pandemic. Maybe if we discover in a few months that the vaccines don't work any more because of the low vaccination rates this becomes more critical.
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Unfit people are more likely to contract the flu and spread it around.
that's a pretty bold assertion, and i dont think it's true. Flu virus will infect someone unfit just as well as someone fit. The fit person may likely not get ill from it, but it doesn't mean they don't spread it.
> The infectious period varies a bit from person to person but it is considered that an adult with flu starts being able to pass on the infection from during the day before their symptoms appear and then they remain potentially infectious for three to five days. The start is probably the same for children but it is often stated that it runs on for up to seven days after onset.
> However, the risk to others is not constant throughout. Infectiousness rises steeply when the person starts feeling unwell and that is when he or she is most dangerous to others. The risk of catching influenza from someone even just before they become ill and after the end of the first three days is quite low.
I'm really upset with this decision. I have not gotten the vaccine as I prefer the known, extremely low risk of contacting COVID over the unknown longitudinal risk of the vaccine. My right to make these personal decisions regarding my bodily autonomy is extremely important to me. Under no circumstances will I yield that decision to my employer! Their demand only further reinforces my desire not to take the vaccine. W…
Honest question: why do you say the risk of COVID is known, while the risks of the vaccines are not? Both have been around and exceptionally well studied for more than a year. We have pretty thorough data on the risks of both, don't we?
Astrazeneca did cause blood clot in some people who ended up dead. Yes, it's a very tiny fraction but this goes against what people are claiming to be the perfect cure.
I personally believe people should have the choice to take the shot.
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Sounds a lot like the obesity epidemic to me. One that kills 1,794 people in the United States DAILY, year… over… fucking… year. Also completely preventable. And before you call BS here’s the data: https://www.cdc.gov/heartdisease/facts.htm
Prevention of obesity is a bit harder than getting vaccinated. Also the data you link to is about heart disease. Many people will have some sort of heart disease as they age even without being obese. The #1 risk factor of heart disease is age. Age is not preventable.
Google could ban fatties from coming into the office incentivising fat loss, you could force fat people to self isolate or not allow them to travel, also to incentivise healthy loving and make it shameful to contribute to the obesity epidemic.
This is all ridiculous, but the moral logic would be similar. The same is true for driving and weapons, which are dangerous.
No matter which end of the vaccine debate spectrum you fall on, this is free market at work. These are private corporations that can do business with customers and employees as they see fit within the laws. If people strongly disagree, they need to vote with their wallets and either change jobs or need to start a new company.
* lobby for laws which forbid corporations from violating employee's privacy and mandate medical procedures.
* move to a country which already does the above