> We (the developers) finally figured out it was because it gave the business people work to do that was more interesting than what they were really supposed to be doing. Did you get them to confirm this hypothesis? Or did you just figure it out by deduction and projection? This is an honest question. I work on both sides - dev and design, and so am privy of the driving forces behind the projects. Sometimes they coul…
There came a time where the site was moved to a different department. We, the dev team, went along with the site. Before we left we asked the business person we got along with best about our suspicions and she confirmed every one of them.
I understand that, maybe they’ve done studies on how often people reload a page and made a decision based on numbers. After 20 years of browsing the web, at least for me, THE way became the shortcut and I never click on that (now useless) button. I can understand why they pushed it a click away, maybe numbers/studies back this up, maybe not. Personally I like having some buttons on the toolbar but I think I prefer th…
> After 20 years of browsing the web, at least for me, THE way became the shortcut and I never click on that Again, that’s an accelerator. That’s for advanced use. So you’re an advanced user, good on you. Things are not designed just for advanced users. > I can understand why they pushed it a click away, maybe numbers/studies back this up No studies would back up making an interface less discoverable, thus less intui…
This post makes a lot of good points, which I agree with strongly. However: > In other words, what a browser needs is horizontal breathing room, instead we have Apple doing things backwards I disagree with this in general. Which I'm sure is the general opinion of browser developers. We often add extra whitespace to the horizontal margin to assist reading. I think the issue is that we are so used to toolbars on the to…
Then don't put it there in the first place. Instead, take a clue from tree style tabs and put the tab bar on the left side instead. I'm sure designers with proper buy in from stake holders can make it look less horrible but stay usable.
I think the hard part is making a compelling UI which works in all of: up, down, left, and right reading order. Practically everyone will also be dealing with something like 16:9 and 9:16 aspect ratio, so users will need to be able to transition from vertical to horizontal naturally.
In my limited experience with side-panel navigation UIs I believe I would find it hard to use with my vertical
displays.
I have a controversial theory. Foolish design is everywhere. Look at web trends. No underlined links, no clear button distinction, childish color schemes and rounded corners everywhere. Apple UI/UX design is trend setter. They try to be cool and resonate with naive audiences. This is Design by Marketing. This is the result of corporations hiring cheap millennial designers without proper design foundations, ready to s…
What constitutes an adult color scheme for you? Why do rounded corners offend you? Are there examples of what you think are appropriately designed products or websites? This sounds needlessly derisive.
Think what you want. I can give you an excessive list with examples what is the foundation of UI design as a logic and implementation. What is Accessible and Usable interface. There are a ton of books on the subject. But reading, drawing and deep research are things that require serious focus, dedication and critical thinking. Those skills are not available for people who have more time on hand for “social” media and dribbble or instagram, self validation. I seriously doubt that Steve Jobs will accept the “modern” Apple HIG and iOS redesign of Mac OS, on a simple and logically grounded premise called mouse pointer. Don’t let me start on colors, contrast or flat design. Bad idea from Microsoft Mobile UI gone wild. But don’t worry and be happy. Hey, in the end all user input is error and the almighty emperor will save us all from cognitive overloads with tiny colourful implants.:)
Then don't put it there in the first place. Instead, take a clue from tree style tabs and put the tab bar on the left side instead. I'm sure designers with proper buy in from stake holders can make it look less horrible but stay usable.
I think the hard part is making a compelling UI which works in all of: up, down, left, and right reading order. Practically everyone will also be dealing with something like 16:9 and 9:16 aspect ratio, so users will need to be able to transition from vertical to horizontal naturally. In my limited experience with side-panel navigation UIs I believe I would find it hard to use with my vertical displays.
Yes, those would need a different solution. One size does not have to fit all.
Which is why it makes it so strange that no browser designers seem to get that the way to go is to stack tabs in a vertical list instead of horizontally. It would use more space but the space is in less demand so it wouldn't matter anyhow. So until the browser designers get a clue I will be stuck with Firefox and the Treestyle tabs plugin which is the least horrible solution for people that use a lot of tabs.
OmniWeb, back in the early days of OS X, did that. They used the drawer concept. I really loved that. All my tabs (with mini pictures of them) were on side, which made them easy to see and didn't take up vertical space. (OmniWeb was a great browser in other ways).
Did you know you can download OmniWeb for modern Macs (they resumed development late last year)?
In Firefox, I use windows for different categories of subject/use case. I use the Titler extension to label the windows.
Workona works for uses cases like you, the only time that gets annoying is when you are using firefox containers. So I appreciate the new UI (didn't tried it yet) but seems that somehow fits my current workflow.
Looks interesting, but multi-account containers are crucial for me...
What constitutes an adult color scheme for you? Why do rounded corners offend you? Are there examples of what you think are appropriately designed products or websites? This sounds needlessly derisive.
Think what you want. I can give you an excessive list with examples what is the foundation of UI design as a logic and implementation. What is Accessible and Usable interface. There are a ton of books on the subject. But reading, drawing and deep research are things that require serious focus, dedication and critical thinking. Those skills are not available for people who have more time on hand for “social” media and…
You don't have to give me an excessive list, a rationale behind your criticisms of Safari's design or explaining what constitutes an adult color scheme would suffice.
Flowery language and technical jargon don't actually have much substance on their own.
I don't mind it on macOS because of keyboard shortcuts, but I desperately want my refresh and share buttons back in the iOS version of Safari. Pull down to refresh is great if you're already at the top of the page, but when you're at the bottom you have to open a menu just to refresh the page? Overall though I think the new look is fine, and the author is being a real disagreeable crank about the inevitable merging o…
> inevitable merging of iOS/macOS aesthetics Also known as: "The day I dump macOS for Windows." I feel it coming. One thing that's kept me from getting an M1 Mac is that I'd have to run Big Sur. Given that Apple is continuing in this dumb direction my 2015 MacBook Pro running Mojave might, indeed, be the last Mac I ever own. It's too bad too. With the M1 macs they had finally fixed the keyboards.
I welcome these sort of new experiments as long as they give an option to revert to the previous behaviour. At least until they have a real world data to confirm 99 percentile users are happy with it. I don’t know if Apple provides that option in this case, but I think that will reduce the public outcry.
It doesn’t make sense to not expect experiments like these in an actively developed product.