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Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by hughrr »

elipsey wrote: post #329
prometheus76 wrote: post #267

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Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

Nvidia graphics driver perhaps? Linux with proprietary drivers tends to suck (and Nvidia has been especially unfriendly to FOSS drivers). Intel and AMD support open GPU drivers, which tend to be be better. This might be why you're hearing about experiences that don't match yours. Also, people can have legitimately different priorities. Some folks might want freedom from vendors badly enough to buy inferior but suppor…

I made the AMD choice and bought a T495 which is Ryzen + Radeon powered and supported by Ubuntu. The GPU drivers shit a brick every 10 minutes.

I now own a Macbook Air.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

api wrote: post #231
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

This new era in personal computing is "you are the product, not the customer." This always sucks but it's absolutely unforgivable in an OS that you actually pay for. If Windows were free maybe it'd be a compromise some people would make. The old era of personal computing was actual personal computing. If you want that MacOS is the closest commercial OS, or use Linux or BSD if you have more tinkering tolerance.

Yeah. When you're the product and the customer? Not cool.

But I guess you can pay more and get the Professional version and have less garbage...

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Post by edgeform »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #326
dantondwa wrote: post #223

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I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

This, so much. I don't want a Microsoft account, at all, ever. So I entered a bogus email address. Now (almost) every time I log in, it tells me there's a problem with my account that I need to fix... Free clue for Microsoft: I know you keep wanting to "leverage" your base of Windows installs into more income in other areas. But when you use leverage , your users feel forced . And we don't like it. Stop it. You're pi…

> Yes, I'm calling out Gates. It started under him, decades ago.

I’m sure he’s quaking in his boots, former Slashdotter.

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Post by eloff »

criddell wrote: post #356
eloff wrote: post #322

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That's also been my strategy. I use Ubuntu and I don't mess with the configuration. Printers, scanners, nvidia graphics cards, dual monitors have all been a huge source of issues for me. Then a lot of stuff is just glitchy and fixing it is a pain. For some reason QT from apt was completely messed up for me, so I had to compile and install it myself, which was non trivial.

My non-customization strategy extends to basically not connecting printers and scanners, not using anything other than basic video modes, and I've never even tried multi-monitor setups.

That's definitely safer based on my experience.

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Post by NoSorryCannot »

Groxx wrote: post #348
cm2187 wrote: post #142

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And OS settings scattered around multiple places (control panel vs settings), forced rebooting every 10min, resetting your default apps regularly, trying to prevent me from creating a local account, and for most of the life of windows 10 a broken start menu (locking for a long time, inconsistent search results), cortana. I am personally convinced that the windows developers all use macs and are not bothered by these…

By far, the most effective tactic I've found for controlling those update-triggered reboots is quite simple: Set your wifi as metered. That's it. It'll tell you about updates, but not auto-download them, until like 6 months or something have passed. It'll even actually fail to download them sometimes, even when you click the download button... but un-metering easily fixes that.

For Pro SKUs on up, group policy isn't exactly obvious but it is more effective. You can disable automatic downloading or installation of updates, and you can disable forced rebooting. You can also disable Cortana, most telemetry, and some other things. I've yet to see it messed with by an upgrade and it applies no matter what network you connect to.

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Post by drewzero1 »

rleigh wrote: post #193
elygre wrote: post #187

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I have never encountered a situation with forced reboots every 10 minutes. Do you have any very special hardware that might cause this?

I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

> Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes.

Until recently, I was having major issues with every update resetting network and sharing settings, which essentially caused shared folders to become invisible to other computers on the network. It was a real pain and I'm glad they seem to have fixed whatever was causing it.

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Post by rleigh »

naikrovek wrote: post #333
rleigh wrote: post #193

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I think this was somewhat hyperbolic, it's not that frequent, but it's still beyond ridiculous. I run VMs on vmware workstation. Every 2 or 3 days I come in to find the system rebooted during the night. I've tried every knob possible to turn it off to no avail. Updates regularly reset all the power settings so it suspends after 30 minutes. The lack of control over the machine's basic functioning makes it barely fit f…

Every 2-3 days? Microsoft doesn't even publish patches that require reboots that often. NEVER has a Microsoft patch ever reset my power settings to re-enable standby after X minutes. I have dozens of machines that I use between home and work. never once has that happened. there's something else going on

Every major update e.g. 29H2 has reset the power settings the past couple of years. Patches don't do this, but the major updates do seem to reset a whole swath of basic settings and it's bloody infuriating.
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