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Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by krylon »

philliphaydon wrote: post #95
krylon wrote: post #64

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As much as I dislike Windows in general, the NT based Windows systems have been very stable for a very long time. I once saw a server running NT 4.0 with 6 years uptime. I don't know about Vista, but in my experience both XP and 7 have been very stable as long the hardware was reliable and no messy device drivers were in use (which includes AV software). That being said, Windows 10 did a few things I liked, too.

Vista was a good OS. It’s just when it came out there was a huge lack of drivers. So everyone got upset. When 7 came out with less DRM, all the drivers were available at this point. And vista was solid.

I remember reading that before SP1, performance was very unpredictable; I read one review where it performed okay on a mediocre machine but was abysmally slow on a high end machine.

SP1, allegedly, fixed a lot of those problems, but by that time Vista's reputation was beyond repair.

The driver situation might have been made worse by the transition to 64-bit. I remember a friend of mine tried XP 64bit back in the day, and the system crashed constantly because some driver had been written with the assumption that a long is exactly 32 bits wide or something like that.

As far as Windows goes, I really liked 7. The UI was reasonably pretty and useful, performance was not too bad, compared to earlier versions, security was much better (or so I'm told, not being an expert).

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Post by eloff »

criddell wrote: post #315
eloff wrote: post #260

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One can complain about Windows, but at the end of the day I have way more issues with desktop Linux (which I use principally.) I find myself in an awkward situation where I don't like any of the three major desktop operating systems for different reasons. It's more a matter of picking the one that's less bad. Currently for me that's Linux for work, Windows for games, and Mac for a laptop. I need a new laptop next yea…

I've been using Linux on-and-off since the fall of 1993 and I've learned that the best way to use Linux is to pick the most popular distribution and then do as little customization as possible. You still will probably have to wipe and reinstall from scratch every five years, but that's not a Linux-only problem.

That's also been my strategy. I use Ubuntu and I don't mess with the configuration.

Printers, scanners, nvidia graphics cards, dual monitors have all been a huge source of issues for me.

Then a lot of stuff is just glitchy and fixing it is a pain. For some reason QT from apt was completely messed up for me, so I had to compile and install it myself, which was non trivial.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

thrower123 wrote: post #295
Scramblejams wrote: post #270

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Another reason not to run it is if any of the games you play require > 1809.

What would an example of that be?

Flight Simulator comes to mind, but that's the only one I know of (and it’s pretty unique in a lot of ways).

My Windows PC is a gaming machine pretty much exclusively, and it runs LTSC.

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by [deleted] »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

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Post by naikrovek »

artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

they can do both, you know.

the people who fix bugs aren't the same people who make corners rounded it design control panel user interfaces or rename things.

the entire company doesn't focus on a single thing at a time.

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

dantondwa wrote: post #223
artificialLimbs wrote: post #18

>> Windows 10 was released in July 2015 and dubbed "Windows as a service" Can we please have 7 back, with its complete lack of built in ads, dark patterns ramming the Microsoft browser down your throat, telemetry everywhere (the calculator, really?), changes for the sake of showing that some manager did something rather than functionality (Rename this PC -> Rename this PC (Advanced))? Windows 10 still regularly shows…

I recently discovered, while helping a family member, that to unlock Windows from S mode you now need a Microsoft account. This is really crazy: I need a stupid Microsoft account to use my PC. Without mentioning that the only way to create a local user is to setup windows without connecting it to the internet. And without mentioning the amount of nagging, ads and spam that Windows users have to withstand. Like, the o…

This, so much. I don't want a Microsoft account, at all, ever. So I entered a bogus email address. Now (almost) every time I log in, it tells me there's a problem with my account that I need to fix...

Free clue for Microsoft: I know you keep wanting to "leverage" your base of Windows installs into more income in other areas. But when you use leverage, your users feel forced. And we don't like it. Stop it. You're pissing off your customers.

Or like the man said, "You can't win, Gates. The more you tighten your grip, the more computer systems slip through your fingers."

(Yes, I'm calling out Gates. It started under him, decades ago.)

Re: Windows 10 to be retired in 2025, as new OS unveils

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Post by knolan »

dehrmann wrote: post #216
Karellen wrote: post #65

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What do you mean by "a completely new OS"? Do you think the kernel needs to be re-written from scratch? Yeah, the current one has issues, but that seems like an unnecessarily large undertaking, and one that is also not likely to produce bug-free code. I'd have thought some kind of testing/fuzzing/formal analysis would be a better approach. Do you think the Win32/WPF/whatever APIs need to be thrown out and some other…

And what about drivers? It isn't like Apple where there are a handful of supported devices from the last three years the new OS would need to support. Drivers would either be buggy through whatever compatibility mode they create, or they'll drop support for a lot of hardware.

I mentioned an LTS version of Windows.

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Post by pazimzadeh »

isoprophlex wrote: post #249
hughrr wrote: post #29

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That first line suggests it’s another layer of veneer over 25 years of turds. Gee the settings app looks nice but there’s still five different control panel implementations linked to it and some settings aren’t even available yet. Microsoft: please just finish your shit before changing it again.

Well maybe this hot new OS will finally let it's users make files named "PRN" or "CON" https://www.howtogeek.com/fyi/windows-10-still-wont-let-you-...

Or allow you to scroll the contents of windows that aren't currently selected.

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Post by elipsey »

prometheus76 wrote: post #267
bsd44 wrote: post #241

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You should look into an alternative then. Linux is quite beginner friendly these days and with Wine you can emulate pretty much any Windows application if that's what's holding you back from switching. If not then MacOS is the way to go. If you really want to go "back" then you should have a look at ReactOS which is a sort of an open-source Windows clone. I can't comment on recent Windows-related event as XP was the…

Yeah until an update to the graphics driver, followed by a reboot, takes you to a black screen and nothing happens. So you use another computer to look online and there are five different solutions for five slightly different versions of different linux distributions, but none of them are the version you have and none of them work for your version. This all happened six months ago, which is the most recent attempt at…

Nvidia graphics driver perhaps? Linux with proprietary drivers tends to suck (and Nvidia has been especially unfriendly to FOSS drivers). Intel and AMD support open GPU drivers, which tend to be be better. This might be why you're hearing about experiences that don't match yours.

Also, people can have legitimately different priorities. Some folks might want freedom from vendors badly enough to buy inferior but supported hardware, and/or get their hands dirty dealing with problems. At least there's a choice.

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Post by naikrovek »

Erlangen wrote: post #227
cm2187 wrote: post #142

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And OS settings scattered around multiple places (control panel vs settings), forced rebooting every 10min, resetting your default apps regularly, trying to prevent me from creating a local account, and for most of the life of windows 10 a broken start menu (locking for a long time, inconsistent search results), cortana. I am personally convinced that the windows developers all use macs and are not bothered by these…

> resetting your default apps regularly This is my biggest pain points of windows 10. Why is it OK for windows to change my default image viewer everyday, with the some obscure message "there is a problem with your image viewer, we changed it to preinstalled image viewer from Windows"? Why? My image viewer is running perfectly OK, it has never crashed. I don't understand it at all.

it's because your preferred image viewer isn't doing what it's supposed to do, and windows is correctly doing what it can to make sure you're using an image viewer that works.
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