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Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I wish journalists wouldn't refer to Apple's app store cut as "tax" ; it's a service fee. That is the price Apple charges for providing payment-related services on its platform. It is not a tax.

devs also pay $100 - $300 a year for the privilege

Not all devs do.

If you are someone who can't afford 30¢ a day to use Apple's App Store, you can get the fee reduced or waived.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Every time you turn iPhone on it prompts to sign in to who knows what min 4x in a row.

I have never experienced this. Care to be more specific?

Just tested.

> Power cycle device.

'Apple Verification. Enter the password for "" in Settings.'

> Tap 'Not Now'

'Apple Verification. Enter the password for "" in Settings.'

> Tap 'Not Now'

'Apple Verification. Enter the password for "" in Settings.'

> Tap 'Not Now'

'Apple Verification. Enter the password for "" in Settings.'

> Tap 'Not Now'

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I wonder what would happen if FB and Google went a step further and decided to give Apple the Windows Phone (or Huawei) treatment, by pulling all their apps from the App Store, citing these changes as the reason they can't support Apple's platform. I'm not sure the majority of iOS devices users would be happy with any of the involved parties, and that includes Apple.

I like this idea, but I imagine it could be seen as anti competitive for Google to do this... I know it would motive me to use an Android phone, but that might not help Google case of being a none monopoly player... Also I could see Apple firing back by removing Google as their primary search engine inversely impacting Google search ads revenue... So definitely I think Apple has the upper hand. Although I do not believe Apple is honest in their privacy stance... Native apps IMO are far far less private then a browser application...

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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The fact that Facebook appears to consider user consent an existential threat to their business model tells me everything I need to know about them right now.

It's really weird. I don't think the "threat" is the obvious one... Nobody trusts Facebook -- many, if not most, people honestly believe they listen to their conversations already. The real message is how emotional and immature the leadership is to a perceived slight. A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers, and some label won't stop Facebook users or meaningfully impact Facebook. Hell, whe…

> A message that said "Cigarettes will kill you" didn't stop smokers

That's the opposite of true. It didn't stop _every_ smoker, but research has established that anti-smoking marketing and labeling has a massive impact on how many people smoke overall.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple should be applauded for this. Their revenue does not depend on software to clandestinely steal and sell users data. One day, we will look back at history and see facebook similar as to how people view myspace now (junkyard of software). Good on Apple not selling devices with a facebook backdoor in them. I know apple probably has deals with malicious governments regarding data access, but at least they are stand…

One of my coworkers shared an interesting thought with me the other day. Apple is positioning itself as The Privacy Company today, but they've benefited immensely from the attention economy over the last 15 years. They would not have sold as many millions of iPhones, iPods (heck, even Macbooks) in the last decade, if Instagram & Facebook weren't there to suck people in to their platform (clearly, the same is true for…

I think there is also another part to it. The smart phone market has so many options for users, and there is a limit to camera improvements they can make. For many people (including me) privacy can be another reason to chose IPhone over Pixel. With so many options differences like this matter.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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I have never experienced this. Care to be more specific?

Just tested. > Power cycle device. 'Apple Verification. Enter the password for " " in Settings.' > Tap 'Not Now' 'Apple Verification. Enter the password for " " in Settings.' > Tap 'Not Now' 'Apple Verification. Enter the password for " " in Settings.' > Tap 'Not Now' 'Apple Verification. Enter the password for " " in Settings.' > Tap 'Not Now'

What happens when you actually enter it? Sounds like your iCloud password was changed.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple's TOS surrounding this change prevent any sort of content-gating of this sort. Infractions may result in removal from the app store.

I'd be curious to see whether apple has the balls to remove fb from the app store

They may not remove FB but they may just stop accepting updates if Facebook does not comply

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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How can an app track activities in other apps? Is it only possible if those other apps use the same tracking networks, or can the app track activities in _any_ other app? How does this work? What can facebook extract today? (I'm surprised a bit, i thought phones offer app isolation). The only things that comes to mind is to correlate device ids from different apps if the apps use the same analytics/advertising networ…

“which includes which apps are being used and for how long, which websites are visited, and data about a user's location“

This is probaly in the “/tmp” or similar directory and probably useful for the system as a whole to be readable (or probably /dev or /proc). It is not a big deal unless you are facebook and, for instance, want to know if your user watches foxnews or has the cnn app or whatever.

AFAIK just doing “ps” gives you a LOT of info on any unix env.

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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post #363
post #330

I wonder what would happen if FB and Google went a step further and decided to give Apple the Windows Phone (or Huawei) treatment, by pulling all their apps from the App Store, citing these changes as the reason they can't support Apple's platform. I'm not sure the majority of iOS devices users would be happy with any of the involved parties, and that includes Apple.

I like this idea, but I imagine it could be seen as anti competitive for Google to do this... I know it would motive me to use an Android phone, but that might not help Google case of being a none monopoly player... Also I could see Apple firing back by removing Google as their primary search engine inversely impacting Google search ads revenue... So definitely I think Apple has the upper hand. Although I do not beli…

Google is the default search engine on iOS because they pay Apple $7 billion annually for the privilege, I don't think they're going to be strongly motivated to pull the plug on that

Re: Facebook is pushing back on Apple’s new iPhone privacy rules

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Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers. Facebook's are completely opposed.

>Apple's incentives appear aligned with their customers Not in China: https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2018/03/apple-privacy...

That's not due to Apple’s business model or their own choice. They were forced to hand over iCloud by Chinese regulators.
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