Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store • Hacker News Board

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by kristofferR » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

andrewvc wrote: post #36

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #11

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Parler has terms of service that prohibit calls for violence. My guess is that the moderators (I'm one) simply can't keep up with the volume.

If you run a social network and can’t keep up with moderation for calls for violence you shouldn’t be allowed to be in business. This goes for the big tech companies as well. “It’s hard” is not an excuse.

So you want AI censorship?

Hundreds of hours of video is uploaded to Youtube every minute, you can't have people to watch it through all. Twitter has thousands of tweets a second.

It's impossible to manually moderate social media platforms by your standard, it's the whole point of Section 230.

You remove disallowed content when it's discovered. Parler deletes illegal parleys when are notified, they deleted parleys from Lin Wood a few days ago.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by Frondo » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

danijelb wrote: post #168

kortilla wrote: post #31

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Of course it’s censorship. Censorship has nothing to do with who is doing it. Whether a private company suppresses communication or the government does it, it’s still censorship.

So the government should be able to force your business to do something against your will? That doesn't sound like free market of which USA, and particularly conservatives, are so proud of.

It is also difficult for me to imagine that the government would compel private businesses to transmit speech inciting or coordinating riots at the capitol.

Even if the heavy hand of regulation were applied to private corps, it seems like they'd still draw the line somewhere.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by nathankunicki » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #327

nathankunicki wrote: post #103

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Newspapers and magazines have always had a choice who or what to print in their papers. TV and radio stations have always had a choice who or what to air. Why shouldn't social media companies have the same liberties?

But it's different. There was a time when anyone could start a newspaper. There was a time when people had FM transmitters in their backyard. It became more expensive and the FCC started slicing up FM spectrum so everyone wouldn't trample over each other. Media was once free and then collapse to be owned by ABC, NBC, CBS and a few dozen newspapers. This was originally about network neutrality, but it applies to what…

Anyone can start a social media network. Twitter has competition in the form of the relatively-new Parler, which has welcomed controversial voices - and has gained significant traction among them.

You can feel free to create your own too. Social media platforms existed before Twitter and Facebook, and eventually other platforms will succeed Twitter and Facebook.

Can it be expensive to start a company from scratch? Yes, it can. But that has always been the case.

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Post by johndevor » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

rrose wrote: post #233

post_break wrote: post #4

Wow, is this the great purge? I don’t support certain people, but man I don’t think this is going to end well. This censorship just seems crazy to me.

I seriously can't identify with this viewpoint. There's no censorship here- parler still exists, people are still free to share their (abhorrent) viewpoints there, Google is just choosing not to amplify the voices of people that have proven themselves capable of and prone to violence. All the pearl-clutching over free speech is totally overblown.

Sure, people technically have free speech. But not in any meaningful sense. It's like trying to have a debate when the other side has a megaphone.

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

Nacdor wrote: post #150

dleslie wrote: post #25

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It's almost like there was some sort of catalyst event that occurred very recently that would provoke such a response. /s

I'm curious why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots (more than 25 dead, $2 billion in property damage) without so much as a peep from Google, Twitter, Facebook or any other tech giant. Kamala Harris said "they should not stop" and helped with a bail fund for the people who were involved with them. I think protest is a fundamental requirement of democracy, and as Chris Cuomo himself reminded us:…

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Post by danijelb » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

rrose wrote: post #343

djsumdog wrote: post #190

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> This what is happening in USA right now is nowhere near that It's going to happen. These platforms are so large they encompass a signification amount of the communication market .. and I don't say that lightly. Look at how Facebook has literally gobbled up all its competition and now is pushing policies that make WhatsApp and Oculus useless without handing over full control of all your accounts and devices? These c…

the solution to this, obviously, is to break up monopolistic companies, not to force them to be mouthpieces for fascists.

I think the solution is to simply break the network effect by mandating a right to transfer your account and a guarantee of interoperability. This would reinvigorate the competition

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Post by Blikkentrekker » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

mumblemumble wrote: post #252

Nacdor wrote: post #150

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I'm curious why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots (more than 25 dead, $2 billion in property damage) without so much as a peep from Google, Twitter, Facebook or any other tech giant. Kamala Harris said "they should not stop" and helped with a bail fund for the people who were involved with them. I think protest is a fundamental requirement of democracy, and as Chris Cuomo himself reminded us:…

It's all pretty complicated, but one obvious mitigating factor is the ends being pursued by each movement. Rioting aside, BLM is ultimately pushing for justice and equality. There's also a question of blame - many would argue that most of the BLM rioting was provoked by a disproportionate police response. This movement, on the other hand, is quite transparently rooted in white supremacy, and had an explicit goal of t…

Every movement claims it's advocating for justice and every class considers itself oppressed and they can all cherry pick the instances where they are.

I'm not so convinced of a supposed difference.

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Post by shrimp_emoji » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #285

greatgirl wrote: post #214

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Most of the damage from BLM was incited by police, who were 500x more aggressive towards black protestors than the terrorists at the capitol.

Absolutely not true. Actually the police avoided the BLM protests for the most part. "500x more aggressive", my ass! You're just making stuff up.

They were absolutely more aggressive. Whether that's because they were more prepared in the BLM protests or less professional than in D.C., or whether because they were busy trying to evacuate the inside of the Capitol, or whether the BLM police were responding to the looting, or whether protesters frequently stayed out past curfew, or whether a core tenet of the protest was ACAB and a (justified, imo) loathing of the police, or maybe even because the cops didn't have the precedent of the BLM protests that they might not want to repeat is all conjecture.

Re: Google suspending Parler from the Google Play store

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:24 AM UTC

wilsynet wrote: post #238

Nacdor wrote: post #150

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I'm curious why so many Democrats were allowed to encourage the BLM riots (more than 25 dead, $2 billion in property damage) without so much as a peep from Google, Twitter, Facebook or any other tech giant. Kamala Harris said "they should not stop" and helped with a bail fund for the people who were involved with them. I think protest is a fundamental requirement of democracy, and as Chris Cuomo himself reminded us:…

I don’t think Kamala Harris said “don’t stop rioting”, I think she meant “don’t stop protesting”. And the bail fund is ostensibly for people who were unfairly arrested, which happened quite a lot. I don’t think Democrats should paint all Republicans with the same brush, and vice versa.

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Post by wnevets » Sat, Jan 09, 2021, 1:25 AM UTC

setr wrote: post #224

wnevets wrote: post #56

Here are some of the screenshots [1] from Paler since Wednesday. Please let me know if you think Google is making a mistake or not. [1] https://twitter.com/YourAnonCentral/status/13473740754552299...

I'm basically seeing 4 posts about "kill " and otherwise standard speeches... and then someone later posts screenshots about Jan 20 re-org posted on twitter.. It seems like the basic political discourse you find on twitter, fb and every other social media system, both red and blue posters, at pretty much the same level of intelligence; I'm really not seeing anything there that doesn't equally merit the banning of, we…

How about these [1], are they just basic political discourse find on twitter, fb and every other social media system?

[1] https://twitter.com/slpng_giants/status/1347190280492089344