I'm not sure if this will be seen but I'm very curious to hear from Indian folk: I am the hiring manager at a well known software company that employs a lot of Indians on H1B visas. A while back I brought in an Indian person for a full round interview. This person happen to have pretty dark skin. On the interview team was a light skinned Indian person with a very Brahmin last name that I'd say is pretty average techn…
Don't you have a process where you ask the basis for both yes and no?
Both yes and no need to be substantiated by examples by the interviewers and that should be able to tell you whether there is any bias or not.
The implication is that, inherently, higher caste individuals were more gifted than lower castes, and that breeding over the years selected for those traits. You're confusing inherent trait with sociologically applied traits. In other words, there is no reason to assume there would be selective reproduction for ANY single trait in any of the castes, because your birth into those castes is random and meaningless. Unle…
I am not an evolutionary biologist so please excuse and correct any mistakes if you can. Lets assume there are some physical differences between the castes. These differences would have been brought into existence because at some point the respective populations were isolated and living under different sets of evolutionary pressures. If, over time, you remove physical isolation but replace it with cultural taboos aga…
You're trying to compress a bunch of dimensions all into one explanation of "IQ", and you're assuming a lot of things here, such as physical isolation would cause divergence in IQ; that divergence in IQ would also cause later societal hierarchical advantages (over natural resources, physical power, or other non-IQ circumstances or differences); and that later removal of the physical separation and original selection pressures would continue to select for IQ in the subgroup. Maybe once your elites get entrenched, they select for other attributes like physical ones instead. I don't see a lot of societies out there where marriages are formed based on pure intellect.
> My college fucking put the caste next to people's names on notice boards for things like seating arrangements for an exam. You are lying. The colleges never do that, once the admissions are done. Yes, during entrance exams and results, they list the "quota" under which the student is seeking admission. If you don't want to have Scheduled Caste listed against your name, don't seek admission under SC quota.
The lack of self awareness amongst upper caste Indians in India and abroad is interesting to witness. They often think of themselves as having come from humble backgrounds and 'made it' in society all on their own. Not realizing that the vast majority of Indians in India live in abject poverty without any meaningful access to basic education and other amenities. Upper caste Indians are more likely to have access to b…
It has another side that validates their opinion. ( I am neither upper caste, nor come from a historically wealthy family) In many cases parents will live incredibly frugally their whole lives to save up enough money for their child's education. Growing up on $3-8k annually is a humble background for a family when look at from the American lens. Qualifying for Indian universities is a nightmare exam that takes 2+ yea…
I'm not sure if this will be seen but I'm very curious to hear from Indian folk: I am the hiring manager at a well known software company that employs a lot of Indians on H1B visas. A while back I brought in an Indian person for a full round interview. This person happen to have pretty dark skin. On the interview team was a light skinned Indian person with a very Brahmin last name that I'd say is pretty average techn…
Don't you have a process where you ask the basis for both yes and no? Both yes and no need to be substantiated by examples by the interviewers and that should be able to tell you whether there is any bias or not.
Yes, they do provide a basis. In this case the basis was weak and lazy, though that is the style of work I've come to expect from working with this person.
ITT: (Possibly) "Upper caste" Indians claiming: 1. This is due to a few bad apples 2. Reservation is the real problem (no it's not) 3. I don't do it therefore it doesn't exist I can tell you by experience the amount of concious and unconcious bias regarding caste amongst Indians both in India and abroad is ridiculous! I'm light skinned so people assume I'm "upper caste" and speak with me as such. My last name doesn't…
//How the fuck is a person's caste relevant? This is normal for you?
I agree. It shouldn't be. But then it shouldn't be relevant during admissions too yeh?
I'm not sure if this will be seen but I'm very curious to hear from Indian folk: I am the hiring manager at a well known software company that employs a lot of Indians on H1B visas. A while back I brought in an Indian person for a full round interview. This person happen to have pretty dark skin. On the interview team was a light skinned Indian person with a very Brahmin last name that I'd say is pretty average techn…
I wonder if a blind interview would help.
Could you guess a person's caste through his accent?
I'm not sure if this will be seen but I'm very curious to hear from Indian folk: I am the hiring manager at a well known software company that employs a lot of Indians on H1B visas. A while back I brought in an Indian person for a full round interview. This person happen to have pretty dark skin. On the interview team was a light skinned Indian person with a very Brahmin last name that I'd say is pretty average techn…
Do you have meetings where you talk about the interviewee? A strong no usually merits some kind of explanation. In addition, we always have at least 2 persons in each interview to ensure that a bad interviewer doesn't just make shit up.
Companies also have bias training which can be very useful.
But original comment is a lie. There are thousands of castes all over the country - different in every state. So education boards create categories (named 1,2A,2R etc.) Each such category is an umbrella for x number of castes. And perhaps this category is indicated next to students' name and not the caste itself.
Thank you. This is what I'm trying to explain. E.g. you might see "SC" for scheduled caste or "ST" for scheduled tribe, but you will NEVER see anything like "choorha", "chamaar", or even "dalit". And even when it days dalit, it's in regard to their quota, not caste. Heck, colleges are not even allowed to ask your caste, only under what quota you are seeking admission!
Your reason for asserting that it doesn't exist is that you have 7 years experience of not seeing it. That's simply logically invalid. You shouldn't be believing yourself. You're speaking in overly certain terms without justification which makes your claim seem unreliable and using insults makes it appear that you have an axe to grind - which is also a sign of being untrustworthy.
Did you notice you just contradicted yourself too? "you will NEVER see [...] "dalit". And even when it days dalit [...]"
I don’t think it’s the same thing as what we think of as class. I found these comment threads made some of the differences clear to me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24556347 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24554209
They're very similar - they both represent social stratification of society into social ranks of wealth, income, race, education, and power.
The only difference is that a person's 'caste' in India, is dictated by blood and can never be changed. Whereas in the West, a person can theoretically transition from one class to another.