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For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

1121redblackgo wrote: post #215
nouveaux wrote: post #209

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If a publicly traded company is not doing well, the CEO gets canned and no one bats an eye. If one department is not doing well, it's very common to just fire a bunch of people or get rid of the department completely. The idea of "dismantling of police" does not mean we do not offer protection. It just means that the current organization "police" is not providing the services it's customers want. Years of "tweaking"…

New way same as the old way presumably. This is a baby with the bathwater situation. It can be fixed no need to scrap it.

It can be fixed, but will it under the existing paradigm?

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Post by brentis »

ipnon wrote: post #322
brentis wrote: post #239

So I get there are not a lot of black CEOs. Unsure what this means or the cause. As a board member I want the smartest and most talented person to run my business with low risk. Quantify that. Also, I'm confused when I hear that only 7% of tech jobs are black people, but 70% of basketball and football teams are black. Yet regardless 10% of population is black. Scientifically speaking... Given facts on IQ, we are prob…

Even assuming mean IQ is significantly variable among different populations, it would still be normally distributed. We would thus expect to find many millions of geniuses from all corners of the globe, with powers of reasoning possibly far exceeding your own.

You are not making an argument here. Regardless of what you are trying to say, proven test results and would not skew percentages to have a larger black workforce for technical jobs.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by dang »

DenisM wrote: post #257
dang wrote: post #5

This is an interesting and in-depth article that was inappropriately flagged. I've turned off the flags. I understand the impulse to flag follow-up stories [1], especially on the hottest controversies of the moment, which always produce a flood of articles, most of which aren't very good. Curiosity and repetition don't go together [2]. But it's important to recognize the articles that are higher than median quality a…

When you de-flag an article, does it affect only past flags or all future flags for the same article?

The latter.

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Post by oh_sigh »

jt0 wrote: post #96
oh_sigh wrote: post #33

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It also somehow places black and indigenous people as not "people of color"(I assume they aren't counting white indigenous people like the Sami).

This is an incorrect reading of the term. BIPOC is US-specific. You'd have to look at teachings from Sami activists to see the most useful framing for indigenous erasure in Scandinavia. Also, it does not place black and indigenous people as not POC, the aim is "undoing Native invisibility, anti-Blackness, dismantling white supremacy and advancing racial justice."[0]. It instead centers the two groups who have been th…

Limiting yourself to two seems too stringent when it is just a letter in an acronym. There has been huge anti Chinese and anti Japanese sentiment in the US. I may start thebijpoccproject.com to address the invisibility of Asians in the mind of US anti racism advocates.

Re: For black CEOs in Silicon Valley, humiliation is a part of doing business

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Post by charlesu »

sfj wrote: post #344
charlesu wrote: post #244

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The difference is hundreds of years of slavery and institutional discrimination specifically target toward blacks and all the accompanying cultural baggage. Part of that baggage is a deeply ingrained suggestion that black people are intellectually inferior but innately athletic. That isn't to say that other ethnic groups don't deal with racism too. But it's different. An African American executive in a suit may be mi…

> The difference is hundreds of years of slavery and institutional discrimination specifically target toward blacks and all the accompanying cultural baggage. Part of that baggage is a deeply ingrained suggestion that black people are intellectually inferior but innately athletic. How can you say this with complete certainty? How could you ever be sure?

My argument is that history matters. You're welcome to argue otherwise.

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Post by DenisM »

Larrikin wrote: post #342
DenisM wrote: post #282

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> the current organization "police" is not providing the services it's customers want Is that really true? What do you think will happen if we put it up for a vote? Something like: defund police - yes/no?

The people who have faced the discrimination, know people affected by it, or have educated themselves about the discrimination will vote yes and the people who have not faced the discrimination and want to believe its mostly made up because they have never been personally effected by it will vote no. 20 years ago its easy to see how the vote would have ended up, but now with tons of cell phone footage and large scale…

> people who have not faced the discrimination and want to believe its mostly made up because they have never been personally effected by it will vote no

So, you think that only people who do not believe in discrimination will vote "no"?

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Post by goodoldbiff »

tqi wrote: post #243
goodoldbiff wrote: post #139

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Bringing in Biff is what VCs always do. Or at least always used to do. I've encountered it personally. The term they used was "seasoned executive". Biff is a better name. I'm not doubting Timothy's experience, but if he's right, the point would have to be that VCs bring-in-Biff more often with black founders than they do white ones. Which seems entirely plausible, but that's not the argument I think I'm reading here.

Even if they weren't bringing in Biff more often with black founders than white founders, if the pool from which they select Biff is overwhelmingly white men, the effect is still that black founders get pushed aside in favor of white men. Even if their selection process for Biff was completely gender / race blind, as long as the primary qualification for Biff is "has previously been CEO" then the next generation of c…

Oh I agree. But that's a different argument.

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Post by anticonformist »

TeaDrunk wrote: post #301
refurb wrote: post #235

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This is what my concern with the focus on race is. You may commit an act that appears racist, when in fact it wasn't at all. An example: - I run into a white friend and call him Dave (another white guy I know), when his name is Mark. It happens, I apologize as I'm terrible with names. - I run into a black friend and call him Dave (another black guy I know), when his name is Mark. It happens, I apologize as I'm terrib…

In the second instance I’d only find it racist if Dave and Mark were the only black people you knew, and also if this mistake isn’t extended to everyone but only the black people in your life.

So what if they're the only two black people he knows? And so what if he only gets confused by black people? There is nothing racist about it in any case.

Person A has illiberal views on race but is very good at recognizing black people's faces.

Person B has liberal views on race but is very bad at recognizing black people's faces.

From your point of view: Person A is not apparently racist and person B is a confirmed racist!

This is a good example of how mistaken the illiberal left has become on these issues.

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Post by sumedh »

0zymandias wrote: post #213

It seems like people from other ethnicities/countries have done well in Silicon Valley, e.g. India, China, Iran. Notably, CEOs of Google, Microsoft, Uber and others are brown-skinned. Would they have done even better without the racism? Or what accounts for the difference?

The groups which you mention, most of those Indians, Chinese and others who come to US go through a filtering process in terms of student or work visa. So you get educated, successful and highly motivated people who also have higher incomes compared to the average income in their native countries.

The US is is literally getting "good" immigrants from those countries. You are not getting the poor unmotivated individuals.

These motivated individuals will pass on those characteristics and their wealth to their kids.

The current African American's ancestors had no such filtering process, combine that with systematic racism and poverty its not too hard to imagine why they fall behind.

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Post by solveit »

r0s wrote: post #264
greenhatglack wrote: post #160

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There's a lot of money to be made in "anti-racism" and "gender-science", especially in tax-heavy countries. No one ever dares to question it, and it's "good" causes that could use some of the workers income. I'll be contrarian and recommend Thomas Sowell's "Black Rednecks and White Liberals" instead.

On the contrary, there's not a lot of money to be made, and people constantly question it. Would-be spoilers get educated about their own unrealized bias, racism continues to be a huge problem in this country, activists are vindicated and the world moves on.

Can someone get me an actual number so I know what to think?
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