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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarface74 »

austincheney wrote: post #356
scarface74 wrote: post #302

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/nyclu-releases-report-an... Stop and Frisk disparity between Blacks and Whites https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-dist... https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-r...

That looks like New York specific stuff. As I have never been there my knowledge and interest of those conditions is absent. So I looked it up for my state: https://www.superlawyers.com/texas/article/stop-and-frisk-in... Here it seems to be related almost entirely to traffic stops. I suspect, but don’t know, that racial identity would play a lesser role in that case because an officer wouldn’t likely known a driver’s…

Really? You don’t think that police could look in a window and tell? We aren’t talking about anecdotes. We have statistics.

And these are the types of excuses White people make to justify and to gloss over problems.

Here are similar statistics for Florida.

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-r...

And GA.

https://www.wabe.org/study-3-ga-locations-black-latino-drive...

But you really think racial profiling only happens in one state.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarmig »

scarface74 wrote: post #262
scarmig wrote: post #222

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The idea that the situation would be improved by the protesters being able to shoot police is... Questionable. The better solution is unarmed police: billions of people live in localities where most police they encounter don't have guns and may not be even authorized to make physical contact in the case of a conflict. The idea that all police must carry guns and must be ready to use violence "to protect us" is one of…

I wouldn’t go that far. The US has so many guns it would be suicide for police not to have them.

How would it be suicide? I walk around plenty of places in the US, many with lots of guns, and don't particularly worry about getting killed.

It's only dangerous when you work under the assumption that the primary role of police is getting into altercations with people or doing things that require the potential for the immediate deployment of violence. The vast majority of police work doesn't require that.

Some small proportion of police should be armed so they can be called in for the exceptional case, but that's not necessary for most cops. The potential cost and messiness of any kind of use of physical force (armed or not) is usually far higher than the cost of what it's intended to remedy.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by bradgessler »

bosie wrote: post #309
h3cate wrote: post #272

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That's the part I personally cannot wrap my head around with all of this. These people are the people they are paid to protect. The people who live in their own communities. Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country.

> Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country. Which would make this better how exactly?

It’s not better.

Foreign operations are carried out by a military, who define an enemy and set objectives to destroy them.

Policing is different. It’s a domestic affair where the objectives are to protect citizens and improve public safety.

It gets very dangerous when police begin operating like the military, define the citizens they’re suppose to protect as “the enemy”, and then set objectives to destroy them.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by [deleted] »

leereeves wrote: post #311
scarface74 wrote: post #304

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Where was all of these statements when Kaepernick was trying to bring issues about police misconduct to the forefront peacefully? He was calling the him a “son of a bitch”. You noticed he never called White guys storming into state capital with guns “thugs”. Even after they basically forced the government to shut down out of fear.

Out of irrational fear. Those armed white guys didn't beat anyone up, throw rocks at police, loot anything, or burn anything. If Democrats have an irrational fear of "rednecks", they need to work on that. Whereas these "thugs" today doing all of the above aren't protestors, in fact I've heard many protestors speak out against them too, and they seem to include quite a lot of young white leftists just looking to cause…

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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by koonsolo »

h3cate wrote: post #272
ciarannolan wrote: post #104

Here's a pretty good list I've been seeing passed around Reddit with ~20 incidents of police brutalizing peaceful protestors in the last couple days: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli... The list is growing by the hour. Cops in America need to learn very quickly that their power comes only from the consent of the people they police, or they will be made to understand that fact.

That's the part I personally cannot wrap my head around with all of this. These people are the people they are paid to protect. The people who live in their own communities. Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country.

I noticed personally that people who are attracted to power are also attracted to being a cop.

In my own school there was a bully who used to bully smaller kids together with his friend. Notice that he always needed his friend, and always needed the kid to be smaller.

Years later I saw him in cop uniform. My first reaction was WTF, but on second thought it made perfect sense.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by jmspring »

SpicyLemonZest wrote: post #135
javajosh wrote: post #120

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It would be useful to put together a taxonomy of error modes that a social issue can have when it becomes famous. For example, accusing the victim of faking it ("crisis actors"), accusing protestors of overreacting ("thugs"), claiming that protestors have foreign elements making things worse ("auslander thugs"), and of course claiming that nothing happened to begin with, or the evidence for the claim was faked. No do…

Some claims are fake, though. Your strategy for distinguishing between true and false claims can't just be "oh I've identified that as an error mode".

Here is a photo. Food Not Bombs is a broader organization, but Keith McHenry, a founder of FNB, will do everything to promote his agenda atop of what is popular -

https://scontent-lax3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/fr/cp0/e15/q65...

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by mam2 »

bosie wrote: post #309
h3cate wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the part I personally cannot wrap my head around with all of this. These people are the people they are paid to protect. The people who live in their own communities. Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country.

> Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country. Which would make this better how exactly?

lol

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate »

koonsolo wrote: post #365
h3cate wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the part I personally cannot wrap my head around with all of this. These people are the people they are paid to protect. The people who live in their own communities. Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country.

I noticed personally that people who are attracted to power are also attracted to being a cop. In my own school there was a bully who used to bully smaller kids together with his friend. Notice that he always needed his friend, and always needed the kid to be smaller. Years later I saw him in cop uniform. My first reaction was WTF, but on second thought it made perfect sense.

I feel like with bullying it is partly playing up to the crown (in this case the other person they were doing it with). Kids are mean and it sucks but hopefully as he grew older he also matured.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate »

bosie wrote: post #309
h3cate wrote: post #272

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's the part I personally cannot wrap my head around with all of this. These people are the people they are paid to protect. The people who live in their own communities. Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country.

> Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country. Which would make this better how exactly?

Sorry I should of been clearer. I didn't mean that would be better, more so that I would expect an army in a foreign country to be in a different mindset to police. A war zone is an extremely high stress environment full of people you do not know. You must see everybody as somebody that potentially wants to kill you. When you are policing in the town you live in, you know the local community. These are not people who you should feel threatened by until they prove otherwise. Still not the clearest answer I know sorry.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by h3cate »

bradgessler wrote: post #363
bosie wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country. Which would make this better how exactly?

It’s not better. Foreign operations are carried out by a military, who define an enemy and set objectives to destroy them. Policing is different. It’s a domestic affair where the objectives are to protect citizens and improve public safety. It gets very dangerous when police begin operating like the military, define the citizens they’re suppose to protect as “the enemy”, and then set objectives to destroy them.

Thank you, you took the words in my head
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