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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by austincheney »

scarface74 wrote: post #275
austincheney wrote: post #185

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I suspect the percentage of overall police actions that are brutal, unethical, or harmful are tiny it is still a subject that demands a far greater degree of transparency. The subject identifies several challenges: * police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed * all accused are innocent…

police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed If the problem isn’t systemic then how do you explain the various studies showing that minorities are disproportionately “stopped and frisked”?

I don’t know anything about those studies so I won’t form any opinion of them.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarface74 »

austincheney wrote: post #301
scarface74 wrote: post #275

Earlier quoted context omitted.

police are falsely accused of bad behavior frequently, which can make it much harder to identify the actual extreme few bad apples which need to be identified and removed If the problem isn’t systemic then how do you explain the various studies showing that minorities are disproportionately “stopped and frisked”?

I don’t know anything about those studies so I won’t form any opinion of them.

https://www.aclu.org/press-releases/nyclu-releases-report-an...

Stop and Frisk disparity between Blacks and Whites

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/07/nyregion/nypd-social-dist...

https://www.aclu.org/blog/criminal-law-reform/new-evidence-r...

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by [deleted] »

Lariscus wrote: post #264
alexashka wrote: post #237

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No. I'm saying that anyone who gasps at how "unethical" other human beings are, wants eugenics, unless they're a real idiot who can't connect the dots to see that the only way to "fix" unethical behaviour is eugenics. I should say, most people who use the word "unethical" are of the real idiot variety. Arriving at eugenics as a potential solution to most of people's problems should automatically grant you a million d…

I see did not get that from you original comment but please enlighten me on how demanding ethical behaviour from software engineers leads to a eugenics program.

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Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by scarface74 »

leereeves wrote: post #297
scarface74 wrote: post #255

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Could the police roll out tanks in response? Sure, but I do not believe the U.S. politicians would be willing to start all out war between police and civilians. Have you read about what happened during the Civil Rights Movement? How many MAGAs would even blink if police started killing Black people? More recently MOVE was bombed and no politicians thought twice. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/may/10/move-19…

> How many MAGAs would even blink if police started killing Black people? Donald Trump, Ted Cruz, Fox News hosts, and even Rush Limbaugh have all spoken out against the murder of George Floyd. > “I hope these cops are dealt with good and hard,” Limbaugh said. “I’ve seen the video like everybody else, and it makes me so mad I can’t see straight.” https://www.dailywire.com/news/limbaugh-george-floyd-death-m... > "it wa…

Where was all of these statements when Kaepernick was trying to bring issues about police misconduct to the forefront peacefully? He was calling the him a “son of a bitch”.

You noticed he never called White guys storming into state capital with guns “thugs”. Even after they basically forced the government to shut down out of fear.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by downerending »

ookdatnog wrote: post #265
downerending wrote: post #246

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I agree that the situation should continue to be improved. I doubt that websites like this will help. Riots will definitely not help. The cause of righteousness has been set back a generation in a few days.

Don't put words in my mouth. I never implied in any way that I think the situation is improving. I'm not sure what part of my post you're actually agreeing with. I cannot see any downsides to systematically documenting instances of police brutality and demanding justice for each instance. It seems entirely just to me.

My bad. I think the situation should continue to be improved, as it surely has in the last couple of generations. You're welcome to think otherwise, of course.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by pnako »

komali2 wrote: post #238
pnako wrote: post #203

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Well, if you want to focus on police abuse, journalists and opposition leaders are routinely tortured and killed by security forces in Africa. No one gives a shit. You might say, well, that particular case happened in , so people there are concerned. Of course, and that's fine. I'm sure there are things they can reform in that police department. But how does that explain the support protests around the world? It's a…

> It's a big political manipulation. Lemme guess, Soros?

I don't know, do you have any information on this?

I'm particularly interested in who funded and organized the media operations in countries like Germany or the UK.

We do know that Soros does that, but he's not the only one, so we can't possibly blame him for every single occurrence.

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Post by Balgair »

quietthrow wrote: post #198

This post was number one on HN. Now it’s nowhere to be found on HN’s pages unless you search for it. I happen to remember the posters handle and was able to dig up the post. The post is not even flagged back so am curious why did it disappear?

Try: https://news.ycombinator.com/active

It's number 1 there right now. I typically use the /active site instead of the homepage as I mostly come here for the discussion sections anyway.

The https://news.ycombinator.com/lists page is generally a great resource for HN.

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by GiorgioG »

Nextgrid wrote: post #270
GiorgioG wrote: post #193

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> The more recent history suggests that the people who wish to deter or educate the cops are significantly outgunned Then these young people (in the U.S.) should stop fighting for gun control when it only works against them in times such as these. Can you imagine how these protesters would be treated if most of them were carrying a rifle? Could the police roll out tanks in response? Sure, but I do not believe the U.S…

> Can you imagine how these protesters would be treated if most of them were carrying a rifle? There are 2 outcomes here: 1) You get shot immediately by the police, chaos ensues but at the end of the day you're still dead. 2) You shoot them, harm/kill them and if their colleagues don't shoot you back there's still more than enough proof out there to bring you a lifetime of legal troubles, especially considering "self…

There are more than 2 possible outcomes. The possibility of equal or greater force against you makes you think twice about escalating the situation.

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Post by bosie »

h3cate wrote: post #272
ciarannolan wrote: post #104

Here's a pretty good list I've been seeing passed around Reddit with ~20 incidents of police brutalizing peaceful protestors in the last couple days: https://www.reddit.com/r/PublicFreakout/comments/gu3s6j/poli... The list is growing by the hour. Cops in America need to learn very quickly that their power comes only from the consent of the people they police, or they will be made to understand that fact.

That's the part I personally cannot wrap my head around with all of this. These people are the people they are paid to protect. The people who live in their own communities. Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country.

> Yet they are carrying out these acts like they're in a foreign country.

Which would make this better how exactly?

Re: A collection of videos of police brutality

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Post by downerending »

h3cate wrote: post #268
downerending wrote: post #242

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It confirms existence, but we already knew that. The officer in question has been fired, arrested, and charged. That would seem to contradict the "never held accountable".

Sadly this was one case. There are many others across the globe that happen and nobody is ever held accountable

It's pedantic, but we do that here: it's certainly not the case that nobody is ever held accountable, at least when speaking of criminal behavior by the police. If you want people to listen, speak carefully.

Some police acts enrage me, for sure. Really. At the same time, the rioter behavior we've seen in the last three days might be worse than the sum total of all of that. And I know that the police have to deal with this shit day in and day out. It's an impossible job, and yet we cannot survive without them.

Maybe someday we can have AI robot policemen instead, programmed to very careful protocols. I'm cautiously optimistic.

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