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Next up: oracle sues Amazon for not using their product.
How much of Oracle runs on AWS? And how many of those customers are evaluating Aurora? Mwahahaha!
Well, Aurora _is_ the fastest growing AWS service, sooooo.
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The console sucks because it's done by the individual back-end service teams who have no idea about UX or front-end coding, and don't coordinate with each other or any cross-service owners of the console.
AWS makes... how much? And won't invest in basic stuff like that? Their CLI is irritating too.
You might hate the console or CLI tools, but people at Amazon have real data telling them the CX is good enough and their capital would be better spent investing in other features. Source: I work there. :P
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#363Here's the key difference between Oracle and AWS:
- Oracle will schedule periodic audits on their customers and legally threaten them for inadvertent licensing oversights
- AWS makes it a mandatory policy that all their sales folks periodically sit with their customers to help optimise and reduce their ongoing AWS Cloud costs
If you are making a case that Oracle == AWS, you don't know what you are talking about. Yes, I have dealt with both these companies up close.
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#364The video feels like a big middle finger to Oracle. "stop oracle", and the URL https://aws.amazon.com/products/databases/freedom . Not that I'm complaining, Oracle deserves all the hate they get for their business practices. But associating AWS with "breaking free" is extremely ironic. It's just as much of a source for vendor lock in as Oracle. If you are not extremely careful/dedicated with your system design, you a…
This is kind of reply to Larry Ellison's comments [1] about how Amazon can't run their business on their own databases. [1] https://youtu.be/xrzMYL901AQ?t=50
I work at Amazon. Ellisons assessment is trash meant to fool maybe Wall Street analysts, but as an engineer, his claims are laughable. In reality, database migrations are hard. Removing that factor entirely for a moment, engineers don’t want to work on lift and shift projects. They come to Amazon to build interesting shit. Now imagine database migrations are easy and your engineers love this work - well, now it turns out you’ve basically stopped real innovation in your organizations to do this operational work for cost savings.
I could go on... there are so many factors why it took Amazon a while to get off Oracle. Ellison is a heaping pile of dog shit fraudster. Before you dismiss me as being biased, look at my post history. I’m critical enough of Amazon.
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> My company for technical reasons can't switch to OpenJVM The OpenJDK (not 'OpenJVM', that's not a thing) is literally 100% the same build as Oracle JDK now. There can't be any technical reason.
But there is: Some software checks the name and version (major and minor) of the JVM vendor against a whitelist. Guess which One Rich Asshole company has this practice.
> One Rich Asshole company
This is just personal abuse.
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#366Earlier quoted context omitted.
AWS makes... how much? And won't invest in basic stuff like that? Their CLI is irritating too.
You might hate the console or CLI tools, but people at Amazon have real data telling them the CX is good enough and their capital would be better spent investing in other features. Source: I work there. :P
Yeah, we know you've got us locked in. The steaming piles served up in the console still taste like shit.
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I'd guess it goes something like, "We have 75 petabytes of data to move over and would like to use your services but are concerned about costs. What kind of prices can you give us?".
But they’ve got no choice - there’s no ‘or else’ until they’re able to move off. What stopped Oracle charging them a billion dollars a CPU for the last few years since they’ve already announced they were moving off?
There is an “or else” it just has latency.
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#368Amazon is a slightly annoying company that I rarely root for, but Oracle is a predatory company whose customer relations strategy seems to actively involve litigating them as a default assumption. Amazon is considered a paragon of IT, so their expulsion of Oracle is a useful tool at the CIO/CTO level of "nobody ever got fired for IBM" level of reasoning. Unfortunately, AWS is becoming the new IBM in that reasoning. G…
> Amazon is a slightly annoying company that I rarely root for, but Oracle is a predatory company Amazon and Oracle couldn't be more different in this point of view. Amazon's predatory instincts are pointed inwards and downwards, towards employees and vendors, while being mostly great towards the customer. Everything from their warehouse workers with timers, the crying software engineers and all other things I hear a…
Thanks for putting this so succinctly into words that I've struggled to find for the past few years without rambling on and on.
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#369Amazon's leadership famously pushed hard in the early 2000s for all its systems to share data only via service interfaces ( https://gist.github.com/chitchcock/1281611 ). I wonder how much of the reason for that was actually a wish to avoid getting further locked in to Oracle (changing or removing a database that backs a single service is very much easier than changing a database that also acts as an integration point…
If the goal of SOA was to reduce Oracle lock in then it utterly failed. After SOA practically every team had an Oracle db, so now they have to convince tens of thousands of engineers to migrate thousands of databases. Imagine what Oracle is going to try and charge Amazon per month for every remaining DB given how publicly hostile Amazon has been.
I think you missed the point slightly. If the interfaces between these services are now Oracle agnostic, it makes migrating off Oracle (by mandate, if necessary) more feasible. More pointedly, I struggle to imagine a scenario where using Oracle of e.g. Postgres would be meaningful in any sense outside of the specifics of Oracle's out of the box integrations. If they aren't being used, why would anyone use Oracle at all?
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#370Oracle should have been doing everything to keep them as a customer and push their databases through cloud offerings. They already push their software through resellers, sort of the same thing, just automatic
Do you know what is happening to their cloud offering?
From what I understand it's mainly being thrown at governments. Why do you ask?