Hate DRM. But love what Netflix has done to disrupt delivery of video in a country that has suffered with high prices, bundling and delayed releases. I am going with the pragmatic view on this one.
Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Or more realistically, if Mozilla had fought back, more people would simply have stopped using Firefox.
Yeah, the problem started when people decided installing a browser from an ad agency seemed like a good idea.
Does anyone remember what the prevailing mood was like when/before Chrome started becoming popular? Were people simply happy to see more companies putting a dent in that avatar of Lovecraftian horrors that was Internet Explorer?
Why didn't Mozilla work harder to catch up with Chrome and counter Google? Was it a case of "My enemy's enemy is my friend?"
And why did Opera slip away into the mists of obscurity? I remember it being pretty good and it was actually my main browser for a year or so.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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>> because Netflix for years relied on plugins to deliver over browsers. They still do, you have to have the Widevine PLUGIN and the Open H264 PLUGIN to play content on netflix It is a pure myth that eme does not have plugins >browsers have less leverage as more Netflix subscribers get their content either on set-top boxes or mobile devices (where Netflix has total end-to-end control), and fewer are stuck with browse…
I agree that it's a myth that EME doesn't have plugins. What EME does is reduce the scope of those plugins. HTML5 does not require binary plugins in order to work.
>>HTML5 does not require binary plugins in order to work.
Yet... EME opens the door, and only the Naive believe EME will start and stop at Video Content.
There are already requests for ebooks,and fonts. Images and and even web content itself is not far behind
>I agree that it's a myth that EME doesn't have plugins. What EME does is reduce the scope of those plugins.
Yes and no, if you buy in to the "perfect sandbox" myth then sure, but to believe CDM's are secure is laughable. There are too many hooks into the hardware, there as to be in order to bypass the user, for it to actually be secure.
No the security is more protecting the CDM from the user, not protecting the user from the CDM
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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>> because Netflix for years relied on plugins to deliver over browsers. They still do, you have to have the Widevine PLUGIN and the Open H264 PLUGIN to play content on netflix It is a pure myth that eme does not have plugins >browsers have less leverage as more Netflix subscribers get their content either on set-top boxes or mobile devices (where Netflix has total end-to-end control), and fewer are stuck with browse…
I agree that it's a myth that EME doesn't have plugins. What EME does is reduce the scope of those plugins. HTML5 does not require binary plugins in order to work.
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Why is reasonable DRM a problem in the first place? I'm paying Netflix $8 a month to watch thousands of movies whenever I want. Being constrained to a large number of devices that take some steps to prevent someone from ripping the movies is a fair tradeoff. It works flawlessly on my computer, on my phone, and on my xbox. The DRM hasn't bothered me once.
Because I'm going to immediately argue with you that there is no reasonable DRM. It comes from two ideological positions. One believes that content creators need complete systemic control of what they make - at all costs (that the creator maintains full control no matter how the content is interacted with) - and the other is that content shouldn't be controlled (or that I, as a buyer of content, should control the co…
> content shouldn't be controlled (or that I, as a buyer of content, should control the content I bought)
How should content creators protect against people who access their content without buying it?
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That wasn't his central point I don't think, also Flash and Silverlight where largely beaten by the Open Web because they never got the adoption sufficient to rival it. So instead they lobbied for it to be built in, the day will come when view source won't work anymore because everything fed down will protected by DRM and we moved another step closer to turning the web into a gigantic walled garden for whoever the in…
Flash's peak marketshare was over 99%. They had the adoption.
Until Steve Jobs slew it, or so I'm told.
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1. People who have access to the content can usually see it over and over again (when they have a subscription to a service like Netflix). DRM will do nothing here. Sure it will. It will stop people writing a script to download as much as they can get away with in a single month and then cancelling since they have enough content to keep them going for several more months without paying for them. 3. People who want to…
> Sure it will. It will stop people writing a script to download as much as they can But the people who go through the trouble of that are exactly the people who wouldn't mind downloading pirated copies in the first place.
If you're supplying digital content as a business, then usually that isn't your real problem. They weren't going to give you any more money anyway, and with the legal framework being as it is in most places today, it's frustrating to see your content ripped off but not actually worth doing much about it. Meanwhile, your real problem is probably people who will casually copy and share your content, because even if the multiplication is relatively small, those are potentially still reaching people who would otherwise pay for a legitimate copy.
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It already is as convenient to pirate Netflix videos as it is to view them on Netflix. You'll get a better selection, with a better UI, and often higher quality encodes. I still keep a Netflix subscription, because I want to pay for stuff, but it's hard to feel I'm getting value out of it. I hope you realize the movies people 'pirate' have been stripped of the DRM. Even if the original file had DRM, that does not inc…
Really? I'm ready to believe you. What's the URL I enter to get the Netflix viewing experience, in my browser, without a credit card?
one example: https://solarmovie.sc
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Sorry, but as someone who spent nearly a decade founding and building a premium content VOD service, and 6 of those years fighting fiercely against DRM and making great content available without DRM, I have both the knowledge and moral authority to say that you're living in a fantasy world. You might as well say that anyone who is not living an RMS-sanctioned ascetic technology lifestyle is hurting the cause of free…
I think you're living in fantasy world where DRM actually works. Not once has DRM prevented me from watching a netflix show, it's only prevented me from watching it on netflix.
There's a difference between deterring (upping the bar) and making it impossible. See CIA guidelines on writing malware in the recent leak.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Wait, who is forcing Netflix to use DRM for Netflix-produced content?
I actually agree with you and am against DRM, but I think I've read that Netflix doesn't actually own all the rights to their content, which doesn't mean that they don't have a great amount of influence if they wanted to do it - obviously, they don't.
Who else is competing with Netflix for Netflix-produced content?