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I don't know if I'm just looking too far into your comment, but I don't see why you're blaming Netflix (or it seems you are) or how you got to them being the bad guys for this? They're not the ones that make the content. If it was up to Netflix, they would just release their shows DRM-free on Netflix for any platform. Unfortunately, that's not how things work and they have to bow to the demands of the content distrib…
Wait, who is forcing Netflix to use DRM for Netflix-produced content?
Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Sorry, but as someone who spent nearly a decade founding and building a premium content VOD service, and 6 of those years fighting fiercely against DRM and making great content available without DRM, I have both the knowledge and moral authority to say that you're living in a fantasy world. You might as well say that anyone who is not living an RMS-sanctioned ascetic technology lifestyle is hurting the cause of free…
I think you're living in fantasy world where DRM actually works. Not once has DRM prevented me from watching a netflix show, it's only prevented me from watching it on netflix.
Well: Supply and Demand, if it's harder to get guns, their will be less of them.
In Canada, where there is strict rules around handguns - and they are actually enforced (unlike, say Mexico where they're banned but gov. can't enforce it) - there is a lot less 'handgun related crime' and very few handguns floating around.
(I'm not making an ideological statement about gun laws here, just using it as an example)
Most people don't know how to get around DRM, or consider it 'somewhat immoral' and won't do it.
The idea that 'all content should be free' is an interesting popular intellectual phenom. If you've actually ever created something yourself, and had someone steal it under this ideology, then it really 'brings home' how much it's not a very fair concept at all.
As much as I hate Disney - if they make some dumb film - it's theirs to sell and control. That film is not public property.
People don't want to pay for stuff, and they don't want ads (i.e. ad blockers) - well - the 'long run' economic case is that there is no content. And there is no way around this (i.e. some make the argument that bands should just give away their music and make their money playing live, but this is not realistic for 99.9% of creations)
In the 'creative economy' - where even software is a creative function - then stuff can't be free.
Firefox is only possible because Google gives them money - from their ads.
Can DRM and excessive IP protections hurt everyone - absolutely. But that does't mean they are not necessary.
The #1 issue in the creative economy going forward relates to this - how we can effectively, responsibly and fairly manage IP. We have to deal with it, we can't take the naive position that 'all the stuff should be free to me because I don't want to pay for it'.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Sorry, but Hollywood has the upper hand here. Hollywood has no desire to enter an open platform. They're completely happy if none of their movies are online, ever. Really. They already have a massively profitable distribution system in the theaters. The problem is that people want to watch Hollywood movies on their computer, including people that use Linux. So what do you tell those people to do? Tell them run Window…
> Sorry, but Hollywood has the upper hand here. Look at Netflix and others who are starting to build alternatives to that ecosystem (in addition to working with it for existing content). If DRM remained second-class, maybe the next such alternative would loosen its stranglehold a bit to gain a broader audience and reduce friction.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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> If it was up to Netflix, they would just release their shows DRM-free on Netflix for any platform. That is SO UNTRUE. Netflix would never want their content to be distributed by anyone other than them, which is the point of DRM; absolute control over distribution, not copy protection. If Netflix was against DRM, then why release their first party content DRM ensnared?
That's not necessarily true. It may just be a matter of efficiency. Because all the other content requires DRM, they may have a processing workflow or other technology that just DRMs any and all content in a single, unified manner. Changing that workflow to bypass DRM may actually make it more complicated. You also have to consider that their first party content is rather new so this could absolutely be something tha…
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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People have been recording the things they watch since the invention of the VCR. DRM will not have any impact on that. Someone will come along, and make a video-grabbing utility that bypasses the DRM. Also, many of the content is already available via bittorrent. DRM is pointless. But perhaps you are right about "browser vendors refusing to cooperate" not being the best possible approach. However, do you know what is…
This is like saying door locks are pointless because you can break a window and climb through. Protecting media copyright isn't a black or white thing like crypto. It's about compromises to drive behavior and consumer spending with convenience.
1. People who have access to the content can usually see it over and over again (when they have a subscription to a service like Netflix). DRM will do nothing here.
2. People who don't have access to the content can't even see the DRM'ed version of the file, so DRM will do nothing here either.
3. People who want to pirate (illegally distribute) the content have advanced tools and knowledge to circumvent DRM, so DRM is of no use here again.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#326Earlier quoted context omitted.
People have been recording the things they watch since the invention of the VCR. DRM will not have any impact on that. Someone will come along, and make a video-grabbing utility that bypasses the DRM. Also, many of the content is already available via bittorrent. DRM is pointless. But perhaps you are right about "browser vendors refusing to cooperate" not being the best possible approach. However, do you know what is…
This is like saying door locks are pointless because you can break a window and climb through. Protecting media copyright isn't a black or white thing like crypto. It's about compromises to drive behavior and consumer spending with convenience.
You mean grabbing a DRM-free (i.e. pirated) copy so that I can watch it at my leasure and on devices of my choosing, even if I have access to it via other legit means?
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#327Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't know if I'm just looking too far into your comment, but I don't see why you're blaming Netflix (or it seems you are) or how you got to them being the bad guys for this? They're not the ones that make the content. If it was up to Netflix, they would just release their shows DRM-free on Netflix for any platform. Unfortunately, that's not how things work and they have to bow to the demands of the content distrib…
"I don't know if I'm just looking too far into your comment, but I don't see why you're blaming Netflix (or it seems you are) or how you got to them being the bad guys for this? They're not the ones that make the content. If it was up to Netflix, they would just release their shows DRM-free on Netflix for any platform. Unfortunately, that's not how things work and they have to bow to the demands of the content distri…
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
That's not necessarily true. It may just be a matter of efficiency. Because all the other content requires DRM, they may have a processing workflow or other technology that just DRMs any and all content in a single, unified manner. Changing that workflow to bypass DRM may actually make it more complicated. You also have to consider that their first party content is rather new so this could absolutely be something tha…
That's a pretty big "what if" I'm not willing to grant. Given how complicated the MSE+EME stacks are, I have no doubt they would test just MSE without EME, since they can't guarantee EME compliance on any given browser. You're reaching.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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This is like saying door locks are pointless because you can break a window and climb through. Protecting media copyright isn't a black or white thing like crypto. It's about compromises to drive behavior and consumer spending with convenience.
What exactly do you think this DRM will stop? 1. People who have access to the content can usually see it over and over again (when they have a subscription to a service like Netflix). DRM will do nothing here. 2. People who don't have access to the content can't even see the DRM'ed version of the file, so DRM will do nothing here either. 3. People who want to pirate (illegally distribute) the content have advanced t…
For instance, I didn't have access to netflix content, and then I signed up for a netflix account and paid them money, and now I do have access.
Re: Update on HTML5 Video for Netflix
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Obviously, because if it was as convenient to pirate Netflix videos as it was to view them on Netflix, nobody would subscribe to Netflix, and their business would fail.
It already is as convenient to pirate Netflix videos as it is to view them on Netflix. You'll get a better selection, with a better UI, and often higher quality encodes. I still keep a Netflix subscription, because I want to pay for stuff, but it's hard to feel I'm getting value out of it. I hope you realize the movies people 'pirate' have been stripped of the DRM. Even if the original file had DRM, that does not inc…