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Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by matthewmacleod »

oligopoly wrote: post #320
matthewmacleod wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are deliberately lying and citing well-known unreliable sources. Why are you doing this? Are you trying to push some pre-concieved agenda? I genuinely don't understand.

UN rape statistics is unreliable source? It's creepy how lot of people downplay rape in this thread.

There, you're doing it again! You are purposefully seeking to distort the truth, and I don't really understand why you are doing so. Nobody is seeking to 'downplay rape' – an obvious dog-whistle accusation – and instead I reckon people generally want to understand if there is a problem, and if there is, then why there is a problem.

The problems with what you are doing are:

1. You are citing a right-wing think tank. I know that all sources have bias, but this is not even pretending to be an objective one. It's a poor source for data.

2. That think tank bases it's analysis on UN data which explicitly points out that it is not suitable for direct international comparison.

I do not personally know if an increase in immigration in Sweden's resulted in more sexual violence, but I am absolutely certain that we will not figure that out using the sort of facile "why do you love rapists so much" shit that you are spewing.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by edblarney »

Broken_Hippo wrote: post #329
edblarney wrote: post #194

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"the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden." This is a classic red-herring. 'They were poor therefore they have bad behaviours'. The failure of the logic is the assumption of correlation/causation. One might argue that 'bad behaviour will lead one to being poor'. I have no dou…

It really isn't like that everywhere in North America. Chinatowns, for example. Heck, I lived in a little town of 3000 people and it had a "mexican" part of town. I lost friends for dating outside my own percieved race. Folks seperate based on the color of their skin and background quite often. It isn't that folks don't break from the molds, but they are definitely there. The little town didn't have many Muslims, so…

"It really isn't like that everywhere in North America"

I totally agree. America is a big place, so is Europe. It's varied.

But I would say, on the whole that EU is far more 'enclave-ish' than the US.

In fact, Europe is a big patchwork of ethnic enclaves.

America is not. People identify a lot less with their identity.

And yes, for sure, some people, i.e. Orthodox Jews, Mennonites etc. are different.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by k_swden »

nmeofthestate wrote: post #201
brown9-2 wrote: post #148

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It is relevant to the topic of how to prevent crime - it tells you that eliminating immigration won't help, but that addressing poverty will.

Well, except some immigration adds to the number of people in poverty, so avoiding immigration that does that would address poverty and by extension crime. This is reasonable, unless the theory is that when an immigrant arrives in Sweden, a person already in poverty gets 'promoted' and the immigrant takes their poverty space, thus keeping poverty levels constant.

In Sweden the vast majority of immigration are refugees and so the main reason they are allowed in is on humanitarian concerns, not economical ones.

Thougt many argue both in favor and against further immigration for various reasons.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by Exofunctor »

Let us consider, for a moment, what biases the Swedish government may have:

First, they want to make it look as though their policy choices have had positive outcomes.

Second, they want to retain support for the current leading political power groups. The top 3 parties are the Swedish Social Democrat Party, the Moderate Party, and the Sweden Democrats. The latter two support tougher immigration laws, but they are mostly outweighed by the first. The PM (who recently made comments denying any attacks) is a member of the social democrats.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by Claudus »

robert_foss wrote: post #337
Claudus wrote: post #45

The level of government level censorship in Sweden is concerning. Maybe worries over negative reaction in the native population are used to justify hiding crime statistics, but I think it will lead to a violent backlash eventually. It's shocking to me that "grenade attacks" have virtually become an every day occurrence. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_grenade_attacks_in_S... Refugee centers have already been…

Which censorship? Sources?

https://mobile.twitter.com/wikileaks/status/6889997811931176...

WikiLeaks‏ @wikileaks Swedish media admits to censoring stories for the last five years on migrant crime

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by scribu »

a-guest wrote: post #278
Pxtl wrote: post #104

Can we not do this in HN? I've watched many communities I used to enjoy get ruined by flamewars over Islamophobia and immigration, and I'd rather not see that happen here.

"Islamophobia" - what are the origins of that word? http://www.signandsight.com/features/2123.html

I never thought about that. It's like a "noncentral fallacy" [1] type of argument in a single word!

[1] http://lesswrong.com/lw/e95/the_noncentral_fallacy_the_worst...

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by Exofunctor »

gaff33 wrote: post #113
polack wrote: post #70

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It's totally irrelevant that the crimes has decreased. The point is that a majority of all violence and sexual crimes is performed by immigrants (as confirmed by Sweden's most famous crime professor GW a couple of days ago). Why are you so afraid to see that immigrants are over represented in this category of crimes?

They talk about it in the article > People from foreign backgrounds are suspected of crimes more often than people from a Swedish background [...] In a later study, researchers at Stockholm University showed that the main difference in terms of criminal activity between immigrants and others in the population was due to differences in the socioeconomic conditions in which they grew up in Sweden. So it seems that whil…

> they commit the same amount of crime as poor deprived members of indigenous populations.

That's probably why people want to stop importing them en masse.

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by partisan »

ZeroGravitas wrote: post #271
partisan wrote: post #162

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So that I can correctly align my world view with yours, under what circumstances can one use the terms "Sharia" and "Muslim brotherhood"?

You can use them any way you want, just be aware when you do that some people think Dearborn in Michigan, or Birmingham in the UK are currently no-go areas for anyone who is not a conservative muslim, so any mention of Sharia which isn't a condemnation basically means you approve of this scenario and are part of the conspiracy to bring down the west. And this conspiracy goes right to the top. The current president of…

You keep alluding to what other people will think if the topics are discussed. I am asking you if there is a context in which these topics are open to discussion without judgement and categorization?

Can we have a discussion of Sharia that is both critical and allowed? Can I be critical of it and not be a conspiracy theorist and not be a Trump supporter?

P.S. Where can I find the full list of topics not to be discussed?

Re: Facts about migration and crime in Sweden

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Post by interfixus »

rmc wrote: post #350
interfixus wrote: post #57

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In your Twitter account, you seem ready enough to admit the reality of political violence, and even to commend it. (Retweet: "If US folks wanna see more nazi punching, just look at the attempted Pegida rally last year in Dublin. alt-hugs given freely")

So obviously you're gonna try to follow me down all over the internet. Wonderful. Stay on point./

Hardly. I followed the Twitter link given in your profile. The quoted retweet was at the top.
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