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Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by egopulsus »

myowncrapulence wrote: post #229
ImTalking wrote: post #45

It's so easy to see the outcome of these policies. Intolerance begats intolerance begats violence. There can be no other outcome other than an increase in violence, both domestic and international. And what will Trump do when the violence increases? He will whip the masses up with frenzied speeches and double-down on the executive orders to limit immigration. But the violence will not abate but will worsen. So finall…

Protests will be banned, people will be put in prison, violence will be quashed by even more violent means "Our country needs more law enforcement, more community engagement, and more effective policing. Our job is not to make life more comfortable for the rioter, the looter, or the violent disrupter. Our job is to make life more comfortable for parents who want their kids to be able to walk the streets safely." - wh…

what's your point? nowhere does that statement mention peaceful, legal, protesting. Rioting, looting, and acts of violence are all illegal.

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Post by wallace_f »

masonic wrote: post #250
wallace_f wrote: post #73

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians . What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

Who hated whom? Here are some pertinent quotes from Iran's Supreme Leader[0] (repeating "Death to America!" less than 2 years ago) and President[1]: [0] http://www.timesofisrael.com/khamenei-calls-death-to-america... [1] "Saying 'Death to America' is easy. We need to express 'Death to America' with action. Saying it is easy." "The beautiful cry of 'Death to America' unites our nation." (Wikiquote)

Why do they hate us so much??

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by tehlike »

jasonjei wrote: post #4

What's scary is the new immigration ban affects legal, permanent residents. US legal, permanent residents that have firmly rooted their lives in the US, only to be told they can't come home.

There is some light at the end of tunnel, but the news still requires some verification.

Greencard holders will require additional screening at an embassy/consulate before they are allowed entering to usa.

https://www.google.com/amp/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/id...

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by egopulsus »

concinds wrote: post #327
crispinb wrote: post #159

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many HN readers (and Dem voters) are among the tech elite who at best benefit (and at worst promote) the fundamentalist neoliberal-corporate ideology that has crushed the US citizenry and contributed substantially to the von Clownstick revolt. They were the useful idiots content to keep their heads down, buy shitloads of expensive tech gadgetry, pay the elevated rents that dehomed locals, and obediently wrote code wh…

More people should listen to this. Davos said one of the biggest problems in 2017 will be political/ideological instability in democracies. The question is: how do you stabilize? I just can't understand the short-term thinking of many here. The political system is volatile. You have growing radical fringes on both sides of the spectrum, increasingly more organized, more hysterical, and less factual. Blaming "the othe…

Thank you for the thoughtful comment. I would say this was predictable if you followed politics closely for the past two years especially as the primaries got underway. It was also predictable if you actually took the time to investigate Donald Trump past the negative media sound bites and listened to what he intended to do when elected.

I feel that in the very liberal city I am in, people are so blocked by their emotions and righteousness that competent communication isn't even an option. I have witnessed people freaking out big time. One person on facebook I am worried about. It's affecting their mental and physical health and it makes me wonder if instant access to information, social media, the internet, and 24 hour news cycles are all contributing to the downfall of civilization?

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Post by closeparen »

finid wrote: post #178

When I was in grad school, most of the grad students in virtually all the science and engineering depts were foreign students. And what most people don't realize is that without grad students, most research will be severely impacted. So if this continues at the rate it's going, we begin to lose foreign grad students to other countries. I hope this ends well, but I have my doubts.

>And what most people don't realize

Of course they realize it. White nationalism is building its own epistemology - we already have alternative facts, and soon we will have "American science" [0]. Eviscerating the liberal/globalist scientific/academic community isn't some sad unintended side effect, it's the core of what an electoral majority of this country believes with all its heart we should be doing with gusto.

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Physik

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by lucb1e »

concinds wrote: post #328
lucb1e wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Proud to be $nationality I can't say I'm not proud of the Netherlands, but in this context... isn't this a big source of much evil? Us versus them? Ours vs. not ours?

There is nothing wrong with healthy pride (compared to egotistical pride). We all have things to be grateful for, hopeful about, and proud of, and that has never hurt anyone. Lack of healthy pride in oneself, one's identity and one's values is a sign of low self-esteem, a great source of suffering in the world. Black and white thinking on pride leads to fuzzy thinking and bad conclusions.

I agree, it's just that it's difficult to tell where the line is between a healthy self esteem about one's identity and it turning into an us vs them thing. In this thread, this comment might have turned into a discussion about the latter - or so I was afraid.

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Post by vacri »

DrScump wrote: post #260
vacri wrote: post #204

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The queen is a figurehead and doesn't get involved in politics - the point being that she doesn't fiddle with parliament's politics, and they don't cut her out of the picture. Been that way for centuries. Here in Australia, the picture is similar. The Governor General (queen's representative) is the ceremonial head of state and can dissolve government prompting new elections, but can't direct government to a certain…

The GG... can dissolve government Can the Regent no longer do this in the U.K.? Basically, the Queen maintains her power But you implied just earlier that she has no power.

She has no hard political power and can't direct politics, but she has soft power in that she's a queen and people listen to what she says or try to curry her favour; the soft power of a ceremonial head of government. It's a complex picture. Oversimplifying quite a bit, if parliament were to 'cut her off', everything with "royal" in it would become "federal".

Curiously, they'd actually lose on the deal financially if they got rid of the royals - the UK government manages the royal estates because of a deal back in the day, and they bring in more money than they lose (before even getting to tourism). The estates would revert to the family in such an event, as I understand it.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by vacri »

dragonsky wrote: post #333
DrScump wrote: post #260

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The GG... can dissolve government Can the Regent no longer do this in the U.K.? Basically, the Queen maintains her power But you implied just earlier that she has no power.

The GG in Australia has the power to dissolve parliament, yes. This has only been done once (that I am aware of) and that was when the sitting government lost control of parliament and could no longer pass the laws required to pay the bills. The GG approached the leader of the opposition and asked if he was able to gain control of the house of representatives and start government working again. There has been a lot o…

The GG has only dissolved government without PM's request once, but if supply is blocked in Parliament for the same act twice in a row, the PM can request the GG dissolve parliament in a double-dissolution. This is what happened with our last federal election - some random act, I can't recall, was blocked twice by the opposition and minority parties. Both sides thought they'd win the election, so they were happy to dissolve over a relatively minor issue.

Basically the GG is there to keep parliament ticking over, and not descend into the madness of the last six years in the US where the chamber is eternally deadlocked (party 1 head of government against a party 2 chamber). It's bizarre how many ways the US has to stall its government (eg filibustering, debt limit, etc), and how few to ensure it keeps ticking along...

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