Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester • Hacker News Board

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by rgbrenner » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:32 PM UTC

intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

It may also be illegal: https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/trumps-immigrat...

The Hart-Celler Act abolished the national origins quota system that had structured American immigration policy since the 1920s, replacing it with a preference system that focused on immigrants' skills and family relationships with citizens or residents of the U.S.

http://library.uwb.edu/Static/USimmigration/1965_immigration...

Executive Orders are there to fill in the implementation details that congress leaves out.. they can't override laws entirely.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by return0 » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:32 PM UTC

Trump is creating a bargaining chip for america. This is a ploy, not s long term plan. I wonder what he ll ask in return for lifting the ban

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by wallace_f » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:32 PM UTC

I don't think it is by chance or coincidence that Trump's admin is targeting Iranians. What really is it with American government hating Iran and Iranians, when there are equal or even worse ethnocentric, human-rights-abusing, racially intolerant states in the Middle East?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by lucb1e » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:33 PM UTC

lazyant wrote: post #50

Proud to be Canadian, see our PM's latest tweets https://twitter.com/JustinTrudeau/status/825438460265762816

> Proud to be $nationality

I can't say I'm not proud of the Netherlands, but in this context... isn't this a big source of much evil? Us versus them? Ours vs. not ours?

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by finid » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:35 PM UTC

freddyc wrote: post #41

tpaksoy wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How is it a minority when 48% of voters elected him a few months ago?

That is quite literally the definition of a minority :) Seriously though, I take your point and this is a reminder that if we ignore vocal minorities spouting hate, eventually they may grow big enough to take control. If you see this type of behavior in your own backyard then please vote even if you don't think it will matter.

"vocal minorities spouting hate" tend to win, as they are more than willing to do anything to get their way.

Remember Hitler and his gangs?

I won't be surprised if a new executive order orders muslims to a camp nearest to them.

God help America!

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by deadowl » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:38 PM UTC

hackuser wrote: post #44

hesdeadjim wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. The rest of us feel like prisoners in our own country when faced with this kind of complete and utter insanity.

> It's not America that did this it's a minority of America. That's democracy; that is America or else there is no America. All Americans must own this problem, not say that it's not their fault. For one thing, it didn't come from nowhere; Trump's policies merely put in action what many in his party have advocated for years. Yet many smart people I know overlooked it and continued to vote Republican.

I'm not saying that Americans shouldn't own this problem, but it's notable that Trump's presidency isn't even majority representation, nevermind democracy.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by kzrdude » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:38 PM UTC

klenwell wrote: post #60

intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

> executed with little to no foresight, warning, or serious consideration, with serious consequences I think it is easy to underestimate the ugliness and disorder such a reckless executive order can unleash unless you start to think about the details or put yourself in the shoes of the people affected. NBC News reports[0]: The Trump administration also has yet to issue guidance to airports and airlines on how to impl…

Eh conflicts of interests. The US has long been “allied” with exactly Turkey (NATO), Egypt and Saudi specifically.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by chris_wot » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:38 PM UTC

selectodude wrote: post #37

DavidSJ wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He's safe now . Who knows about next week?

You think Donald will sell his stake in projects in Turkey?

He didn't seem to worry about his investments in Saudi Arabia when he made his ignorant comments about Muslims during his campaign.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by daxorid » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:39 PM UTC

intro-b wrote: post #2

How this is happening, the exact trajectory of how much worse these things are (and its potential to worsen) is somewhat terrifying, especially when you consider the cavalier disregard and easy ignorance that this policy represents. I know classmates and colleagues and friends who are discussing, in their groups and communities, how to best help people stranded, whether or not vacations and returns to see ill family…

Terrifying, how? This is what Trump promised, and the reason we voted for him. Half of us are quite happy to see campaign promises actually implemented.

HN is acting as if this was capricious and unplanned. In fact, it's what half of us wanted.

Re: Iranian MIT student goes home over break, denied return for spring semester

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Post by zardeh » Sat, Jan 28, 2017, 10:39 PM UTC

maxerickson wrote: post #30

pedalpete wrote: post #27

Though I see this is a whitehouse.gov site, I'm curious as to what counts as a legitimate signature. I'm not American, not a resident, and not in America, so what happens if I sign this petition? Does anybody know how they figure this out? Do a bunch of signatures from people who have no rights in the US invalidate the petition?

The petition doesn't mean anything to begin with. The previous administration used them as a PR device. They aren't binding. Who knows if it is even intentional that it still works.

If (and that is a potentially big if) Trump continues the Obama admin plan of responding to all petitions that have >100K signatures, it will be interesting to see what the response to 'hey you should let this young female student who was already here back in, since she poses no danger to the US'.