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From Apple point of view those examples aren't interesting from business point of view. If GNU/Linux wasn't free as beer and people had to pay for it, all those use cases would never have happened. Hence why it is almost impossible to sell software to GNU/Linux users, and one has to get by writing books, selling consulting services or support.
Wait, macOS is free as in beer but all those use cases didn't happen with it, coincidence?
From OS X to Ubuntu
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Linux laptops: buy pre-installed. If you want linux and you want to be sure everything is functional, AND you don't want to devote lots of time to a "project" buy a pre-install. Dell Developer Edition laptops (XPS 13, 15) make great laptops. I hear good things about system 76 and purism as well. Save time. Support having good laptops and good drivers. Buy pre-installed. Paying the "windows tax" and installing a Linux…
This is Linux laptop buying in a nutshell. Used a nice little laptop for years in college. I kept fighting it on the headphone jack. It would not recognize when it was plugged in, or the sound did not work period. Hot keys would not work. Etc, etc. Besides that, everyone would always comment on what a nice little laptop it was as I ran it into the ground. When it died I bounced from HP (horrible, came with AMD graphi…
This kind of issue is why I stopped bothering with linux on laptops and got a macbook.
EVERY single laptop I've used linux on (which were all researched before hand to include hardware that's not supposed to have issues with linux, and this includes a system76 lemur ultra laptop I had with ubuntu pre-installed) has had issues along these lines (e.g. random graphics driver freezes, suspend/resume issues, backlight issues, wifi issues, randomly freezing during boot etc...).
Random suspend/resume issues were by far the most common issue. With every laptop it would work like 95% of the time, but that remaining 5% of the time where it decides it doesn't want to resume is enough to make it unusable as far as I'm concerned. I've not once ever had a macbook (with OSX) refuse to suspend or resume on me.
Sometimes you could distro hop, update your kernel etc... to get past them, but there would always be some new issue along those lines that would crop up eventually. I felt like I was spending more time distro hopping, reporting bugs, trying to work around bugs etc... then I was actually doing anything productive.
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My life has been great these last years, and mostly due to this: https://xkcd.com/963/
What distros are you people using? Mine doesn't even come with xorg.conf anymore. (with that said, cant wait for Wayland to finally happen) I have a news for you people: some distros
Re: From OS X to Ubuntu
#364Perfectly working hardware (routers, dongles, laptops, mobiles ..) is declared EOL and gradually becomes less functional and more of a security issue.
Destructive recycling could be an option, but damn, we are talking about "perfectly working devices", with a real value and a pretty high environmental cost.
How do you deal with them?
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#365Earlier quoted context omitted.
Linux laptops: buy pre-installed. If you want linux and you want to be sure everything is functional, AND you don't want to devote lots of time to a "project" buy a pre-install. Dell Developer Edition laptops (XPS 13, 15) make great laptops. I hear good things about system 76 and purism as well. Save time. Support having good laptops and good drivers. Buy pre-installed. Paying the "windows tax" and installing a Linux…
>> Linux laptops: buy pre-installed. The fact that hardware - though much improved in the past 15 years - is still a crapshoot on Linux, particularly when it comes to laptop hardware, is so frustrating. Windows will work on practically any combination of hardware. OS X will work on any hardware it is permitted to operate on. Linux is the only consortium of operating systems that still suffer from the inability to "ju…
I'm sorry to disagree, but after a fresh install of windows you still have to install a ton of drivers for specific hardware plus a ton of reboots after each one.
In fact IMHO Ubuntu offers a way better "out of the box" experience than windows does nowadays.
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I don't get why people insist that the whole "bash on windows" things makes it a suitable replacement for Linux. It's like when people say "oh, but OS X has a terminal as well". I don't use Linux just because of the terminal. Package managers (and the ability to deterministically install/uninstall packages!!) are one of the strongest pilars. WMs I like are another (we'll each have a preference, mine bine i3wm). And f…
> Package managers... But bash on Windows includes apt. It's all of Ubuntu running on the Windows NT kernel instead of the Linux kernel... > WMs... Windows has one of the best window managers around and you can make it do pretty much anything you want. > ...understandable filesystem hierarchy... Done. And it's actually simpler than any Unix filesystem that I've seen. Obviously millions of users and devs use the Windo…
When a package manager is part of the core OS, it handles ALL installed apps, and can update, or remove anything.
apt on bash won't update my firefox, or let me uninstall apps. Stuff will make it in sideways, and won't be tracked by any package manager.
> Windows has one of the best window managers around and you can make it do pretty much anything you want.
Like I said, there's a strong matter of preference, but what can objectively be said is that ONE window manager isn't enough for everybody, and everybody want something different. That's why you have different WMs on Linux.
Also, Windows' WM (whatever it's called) can't do any of the stuff i3wm does, so you're just exagerating.
> Obviously millions of users and devs use the Windows filesystem to great success.
Users don't count, because they barely interact with it. And when they do, they have to follow guides, because they can't understand it. Go ahead. Ask any windows user where specific stuff is stored.
> Imagine a filesystem where you don't spread one single application's files around to 10 different locations which differ based on the target distro...that's Windows.
Why is that a good thing? If you want to know how owns a file, we have package managers to track that.
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I don't get why people insist that the whole "bash on windows" things makes it a suitable replacement for Linux. It's like when people say "oh, but OS X has a terminal as well". I don't use Linux just because of the terminal. Package managers (and the ability to deterministically install/uninstall packages!!) are one of the strongest pilars. WMs I like are another (we'll each have a preference, mine bine i3wm). And f…
If you don't get it, try it. It's not just bash. It's the whole Ubuntu userspace. Yes, you can use apt-get there.
This apt-get will only track stuff installed via it, while there's dozens of other stuff that just made it in sideways.
Also, ¿Can I run X, i3wm, etc? ¿Can I get rid of the entire Windows DE?
My point is, I don't use bash, because I want all the above. I've no complaint if you prefer windows, that's your choice. But don't tell Linux users that windows is now the same just because you have bash.
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#368IMO if money isn't an object, OS X is a better call when it comes to laptops. If money is tight, going for a Linux box is almost as good. Linux on desktops - as in, not a laptop - has worked pretty much flawlessly for me for >10 years. Not much else to say there. If desktop or server, this shouldn't be a discussion. As far as laptops go, I've just had better experiences with macbooks. Linux on a laptop is still 100%…
Linux laptops: buy pre-installed. If you want linux and you want to be sure everything is functional, AND you don't want to devote lots of time to a "project" buy a pre-install. Dell Developer Edition laptops (XPS 13, 15) make great laptops. I hear good things about system 76 and purism as well. Save time. Support having good laptops and good drivers. Buy pre-installed. Paying the "windows tax" and installing a Linux…
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Wait, macOS is free as in beer but all those use cases didn't happen with it, coincidence?
So where is the free macOS source code to build my own gizmo, profit and don't give any money back to those developers that helped me get rich?
Re: From OS X to Ubuntu
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This is Linux laptop buying in a nutshell. Used a nice little laptop for years in college. I kept fighting it on the headphone jack. It would not recognize when it was plugged in, or the sound did not work period. Hot keys would not work. Etc, etc. Besides that, everyone would always comment on what a nice little laptop it was as I ran it into the ground. When it died I bounced from HP (horrible, came with AMD graphi…
> Ivy Bridge would freeze X if I closed and opened the lid enough, but that disappeared with the next version of Ubuntu. Similar issue with Skylake Lemur, went away when I used Manjaro with Mesa 13. This kind of issue is why I stopped bothering with linux on laptops and got a macbook. EVERY single laptop I've used linux on (which were all researched before hand to include hardware that's not supposed to have issues w…
Oh, you're fortunate. I'd not seen it prior to Yosemite but the two MBP's (mid-2012 15" and early-2015 13") I have here running Yosemite and El Capitan both with external displays manage to wedge their graphics and have suspend/resume issues. The newer one in particular gets rebooted every day or it eventually wedges its display (ssh sessions continue to work, so I can sometimes recover).