Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by sametmax » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:10 AM UTC

vbezhenar wrote: post #238

dandare wrote: post #234

I am annoyed by something else: today Apple stepped on the wrong toe, the community will cry foul and someone from Apple who reads HN will rush to salvage the situation. We have seen this pattern before (usually but not exclusively with Apple). But what about the thousands of small and nameless developers that were crushed by some script bug or killed by operator misclick? Who will ever help them?

Human support is supposed to help them. What I found unacceptable is "We are banning you and we won't tell you anything about it". This pattern is extremely common. And extremely frustrating. You can't put one in jail without telling why (and right to defend). In many developed countries you can't even fire a worker without a solid reason. It should be prohibited for companies to halt service someone without providin…

Except apple is not society. It is not democracy. It's a for profit company, and can do whatever it wants. It is in no way entitled to be fair.

If you don't want it to behave this way, as a consumer or developer, you just have to choose to not deal with it. But you don't want to, because it makes you money and makes you life more comfortable in some way.

What it means is that you value money/confort more than been respected by this company. Accept this is what you choose and don't bitch about it, this is dishonest. You can't have it both way.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by the8472 » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:13 AM UTC

monksy wrote: post #354

the8472 wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A curated app-store should not be considered synonymous with walled garden. android allows side-loading. windows has "install.exe", the microsoft store and steam co-existing side-by-side. linux distros have their package managers, container images and `curl ... | sudo bash`. Anyone who argues that all users must be herded into a walled garden in the name of security and alternatives are not acceptable is essentially…

> `curl ... | sudo bash`. That is the herpes of the Linux world. That is one of the worse things that someone can suggest to install something.

You missed the essence of my argument. The curl approach serves as an example of some less trustworthy, unvetted ways of installing software, similar to downloading an installer or apk from some random website.

Is it a bad idea? Maybe, especially if you're not technically versed. Does that mean we should take everyone's freedom to make their own choices. "because we know what's best for you"? I don't think so.

I believe that most non-technical users are self-aware enough that they stick to curated app-stores of their own volition.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by vsl » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:24 AM UTC

brazzledazzle wrote: post #333

superfluid wrote: post #96

If I had to guess, I'd say there might have been a copyright violation with respect to downloaded docs.

But that's not fraud right? Just an app store guideline violation. Or a copyright violation.

Not even that, copyright concerns distribution, Dash isn't distributing anything, it's a tool the user uses to download stuff. Even if Apple misunderstood it, that would still not result in marking the account as fraud.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by deathtrader666 » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:29 AM UTC

Why isn't there a class-action lawsuit against Apple on issues like these?

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by vsl » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:30 AM UTC

ary wrote: post #194

charlesdm wrote: post #185

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I conversed with the developer of Dash a while back and found him to be a rather cordial and frankly honest person. He's from Romania, and had you done a single Google search for "Popescu" you might have seen this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popescu "Popescu (Francisized as Popesco) is a family name very common in Romania"

> I conversed with the developer of Dash a while back and found him to be a rather cordial and frankly honest person.

Same experience here.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by hellofunk » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:36 AM UTC

intrasight wrote: post #277

Rotten194 wrote: post #259

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You act like there's a choice -- customers get apps through the app store, so that's where developers have to be if they want to eat.

There is a choice - and it is the right choice. Just make your software browser-based.

That's not a choice. Browser technology is still a long way from native performance.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by bambax » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:53 AM UTC

sametmax wrote: post #361

vbezhenar wrote: post #238

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Human support is supposed to help them. What I found unacceptable is "We are banning you and we won't tell you anything about it". This pattern is extremely common. And extremely frustrating. You can't put one in jail without telling why (and right to defend). In many developed countries you can't even fire a worker without a solid reason. It should be prohibited for companies to halt service someone without providin…

Except apple is not society. It is not democracy. It's a for profit company, and can do whatever it wants. It is in no way entitled to be fair. If you don't want it to behave this way, as a consumer or developer, you just have to choose to not deal with it. But you don't want to, because it makes you money and makes you life more comfortable in some way. What it means is that you value money/confort more than been re…

Society can decide what behavior is allowed and what isn't. Just because a company is a company doesn't mean it's out of reach of judicial rules.

A company can't dump chemicals in any river without oversight; it could be compelled to accept an appeals process when terminating a contract with a developer.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by FireBeyond » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 6:56 AM UTC

henji76 wrote: post #209

waterphone wrote: post #133

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That's very common with anything where a company claims fraud is suspected, because they argue that sharing any details will allow scammers and people doing fraudulent activity to figure out ways to game the system. Google does the same thing when they kill your AdSense account for "invalid click activity" right before you're about to get a big payout. Amazon does the same thing with Amazon Payments. No explanation,…

For seller accounts, Amazon provides tons of indicators that let you know you are about to be shut down. After being shut down, you can fix the problem, prove that you fixed it and they may let you sell again on their platform. You should never be faced to a wall, unless you know you cheated the system someway.

No. I sold a bunch of stuff on Amazon. Then one day a lens I sold arrived three days late. The buyer complained. Amazon blocked my account from seeking. I appealed, said I was willing to be FBA only (Fulfilled by...). "After a review we have determined that your seller account will remain permanently closed". One complaint on thirty things sold.

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by pyre » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 7:06 AM UTC

hellofunk wrote: post #366

intrasight wrote: post #277

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is a choice - and it is the right choice. Just make your software browser-based.

That's not a choice. Browser technology is still a long way from native performance.

So much this. There are also weird quirks to deal with when dealing with browsers vs. native. On iOS, native scrolling 'just works,' but within our app (Cordova-based) it took a bunch of hand-holding to make it a decent experience.'

One example, on iOS WebKit if you flick to scroll, and then "click" (touch) on the screen while the scroll animation is still running, the click event will report a position on the webpage that was as if the scroll had never happened (e.g. you had clicked on the same place on the screen without having scrolled in the first place).

Re: Apple Has Removed Dash from the App Store

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Post by fierarul » Thu, Oct 06, 2016, 7:29 AM UTC

It's also quite possibly a legal mixup.

The company he most likely used for the iOS app is, I assume, KAPELI APPS SRL which seems to have been incorporated in September 2016.

Which means that for the OSX app he used another company or he sold it as an individual.

This conflict as well as the company having no history might have triggered something on the Apple side.