If a person did this, this person would go to jail. If a company does it? Small fine and the green light to cannibalize more content. Funny how that works.
It's not a small fine. It's much more than what each title could be bought for in the market.
Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
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Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
#352Earlier quoted context omitted.
There’s a difference between an abstract idea and the concrete thing. Regurgitating an idea is different than repeating the text verbatim. Ideas are protected by patents, not copyright.
So now that we have a magical paraphrasing machine, we can just run any copyrighted work through it to remove the copyright? Cool, I get a GPL version of Microsoft Office.
Yes exactly. That's basically what an emulator for a games console is for example, a reimplementation of the original.
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#353Earlier quoted context omitted.
The correct way to legislate this is to abolish copyright. It is strictly a negative force. Nobody makes art because of copyright, only in spite of it.
People make art to also get recognized for that art. Otherwise they would keep that art secret at home. Without copyright, anyone can copy the art and call it their own. What is then the incentive for the creator to share the art, if there is neither monetory gain and nor fame. And worse than them being recognized, they might even get accused of copying their own art if someone else became famous due to a copy. Socie…
There are lots of famous artists that are older than copyright.
> And worse than them being recognized, they might even get accused of copying their own art if someone else became famous due to a copy.
You mean like right now? Here is A24 claiming copyright for Backrooms related media that came out before their Backrooms related film: https://kotaku.com/backrooms-a24-copyright-strikes-kane-pars...
Being "accused" of copying literally does not matter if copyright didn't exist. This framing is only an issue under copyright.
> Society would miss out a lot.
Society actively misses out a lot. We could have had tons of derivative art that has been buried for the sake of propping up companies. We could have had Aaron Swartz. Abolish copyright.
Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
#354I do recall that a "famous redditor" was driven to suicide for making works available and he wasn't even making money for it.
He wasn’t just some famous redditor. Aaron Swartz helped create Reddit and invented RSS. If I put my conspiracy theory hat one and I always get piled on for this theory in other online communities but I think it could be possible. The theory is I think Aaron found some very dark stuff while exploring the MIT private networks, things that he was not supposed to see and could be very damaging to a lot people if they we…
That's the joke, why do you think they put it in quotes?
Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
once you read the book, and learn from it and use the knowledge in your livelihood - you have to perpetually pay the author? Doesn't sound right.
Why is everyone talking about human analogies when LLMs are not humans?
Why is it different other than, "just cause?" No one seems to have actual reasoning to back it up while it feels very similar the other way around, is human brains and neural nets (notwithstanding that they're both called neurons) seem to learn similarly and can act on similar classes of problems like language and mathematics.
Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
#356Earlier quoted context omitted.
The correct way to legislate this is to abolish copyright. It is strictly a negative force. Nobody makes art because of copyright, only in spite of it.
Commercial enterprises make content , like Marvel movies and Netflix series, because of copyright.
Commercial enterprises stand on the shoulders of lax copyright laws. For example, foundational Disney works would have been illegal for them to make under the copyright laws they have since purchased.
https://drewdevault.com/blog/Alice-in-Wonderland/
Copyright is a textbook ladder pull.
Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
#357In many ways this adds to Anthropic’s motivation to IPO.
This deal is built around Anthropic surviving. The $1.5B comes in installments, and counsel’s fees are paid in step with those installments.
The class is now effectively Anthropic’s creditor, with a direct financial interest in the company staying solvent through the payment schedule.
Civil suits compensate and the one outcome guaranteed to leave authors worse off was a verdict big enough to kill the payer.
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#358Earlier quoted context omitted.
The correct way to legislate this is to abolish copyright. It is strictly a negative force. Nobody makes art because of copyright, only in spite of it.
What if copyrights are shorter, but vigorously defended (other than fair use provisions)? Can we use the modern tech (AI) to policy copyright infringement, to liberate the culture and business?
The shorter the copyright the better. Zero is the best.
Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
#359To be clear, the issue is not that the books were used to train Claude, but that they were pirated.
It's an unfortunate outcome. Now to be a big player in AI, you have to have enough capital to buy your own library worth of books and digitize them. (Fun fact: a pallet of books is called a "gaylord," and they buy hundreds of gaylords.) I created books3 to help settle the question of whether AI companies should be allowed to train on books. The outcome of "it's okay to pirate books as long as you're only training on…
As this comment states, it may not be the piracy that is the issue, but the keeping of the books forever rather than just for the purpose of training. Regardless, I believe people will do this in a wink wink nudge nudge sort of way anyway, as no one releases their training data, because we all know where it comes from.
Re: Judge approves $1.5B Anthropic settlement for pirated books used to train Claude
#360Earlier quoted context omitted.
copyright is bullshit
Copyright is what stops someone from copy+pasting a book that took years to write, then selling it $1 cheaper than the original author on Amazon or whatever and making a margin 1 million percent higher than the original author. Imagine a society without copyright… only physically intensive jobs could make money because everything else would be pirated, ripped-off or free. Thus, only those who are financially independ…
Right, it's about incentivising intellectual work. While I have big issues with the copyright system, like all the extensions lobbied for by Disney and friends, it did enable a lot of good work to happen.