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Re: Siri AI

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Post by kennywinker »

joshstrange wrote: post #350
kennywinker wrote: post #347

The second slide on the site is… it’s gotta be a troll from some pissed off designer, right? Screenshotted in case they change it https://imgur.com/a/n1I3z8g

I believe that is showing the results of a search, as in something like "What Plant was Aga telling me about the other day?". The website doesn't make that clear but they asked questions like that in the keynote (not that specific one).

Lol. That makes it almost make sense. It’s still showing me a summary of a text that uses exactly the same amount of space to convey exactly the same amount of information. Like, that’s just search - i’ve been able to get this info by typing “plant” into the search bar since they added spotlight in iPhoneOS 3.0 back in 2009

It’s also a text from 9:14am the same day.

If this is the second slide in your marketing slideshow, you clearly have nothing better to show.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by nandomrumber »

perching_aix wrote: post #276
nandomrumber wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I struggle to believe there isn’t a significant fraction of EU citizens who are frustrated with the EU’s laws. At the very least to the extent that the whole setup limits national sovereignty. Your comment comes across as though you expect us to believe EU citizens are a homogenous whole, who happen to align with your perspective on this matter.

On the contrary, it reads to me like they've simply been around, and this is the general impression they gathered. Which may still not even be true, but it makes a whole lot more sense context wise, and is pretty darn different to the conveniently malicious motivation you're proposing. And with this, now your own "royal we" is similarly rendered deceptive. > At the very least to the extent that the whole setup limits…

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Re: Siri AI

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Post by kaibee »

brookst wrote: post #322
OrangeDelonge wrote: post #299

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I think if you actually invested time into researching the DMA you will be able to understand why they are making certain decisions.

Oh, me, me! I spent a few years being responsible for a significant bit of DMA review and CYA and responses to regulators. I’ve read all of it, multiple times, and been grilled by EU regulators (vicariously, via corporate lawyers). It still boils down to general guidelines that it’s impossible to know if you’re violating before the fact, and they will not even approve/reject proposals in advance. It’s basically “go r…

> It still boils down to general guidelines that it’s impossible to know if you’re violating before the fact, and they will not even approve/reject proposals in advance. It’s basically “go read the act yourself, and ship what you think is compliant, and you’ll know whether we interpret the words the same way by whether or not we fine you.”

Companies want to know exactly where the line is so they can figure out how to comply with the letter of the law while doing as much as possible to get around the spirit of the law. This has been demonstrated over and over again. It isn't the job of the regulator to help companies with this process.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by jingw222 »

wxw wrote: post #109

I strongly believe Apple can win the consumer AI space. They have incredible distribution and hardware. They just haven’t executed at the application layer yet.

ironically they respect user privacy the most and collect the least amount of data that’s why they lag behind ai i don’t understand why you would expect them to win

Re: Siri AI

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Post by Terretta »

jltsiren wrote: post #317
onesociety2022 wrote: post #277

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I never understood how any regulatory body is going to decide which APIs in iOS must be made available to third-parties to hook into. So what if I'm a third-party maker of TCP/IP stack and I want Apple to offer me the ability to sell my custom TCP/IP stack to my iOS customers as a replacement for the stock TCP/IP stack that ships with iOS. Clearly no regulatory body has cared about that because it's too niche of a sp…

Creating competition where it would not otherwise exist is the essential nature of the EU. Originally it was mostly about forcing protectionist member states to accept competition from other member states. But they extended the approach to breaking perceived natural monopolies a long time ago. The exact rules ultimately don't matter, because the EU is after outcomes. If the current rules don't lead to the desired out…

Destroying competition by removing the consumer choice for vertical integration in service of strong security, privacy, reliability, etc.... is mistaken.

It's competing at the wrong level.

The iPhone is a toaster. Nobody's up in arms about whether the toaster takes other manufacturer's crumb tray. It's a television, and nobody's demanding QLED and OLED be swappable. It's a console. Xbox doesn't play PS5 games. It's fine.

There's no real line between hardware / firmware / software / malware ... For what Apple offers consumers, every layer of whateverware should be trusted.

Drawing imaginary lines based on the embodiment or substrates for logic gates is mistaken.

There are lots of phones. Lot's of different philosophies. Stop taking away consumer right to pick a philosophy and design for an end to end experience. It's fine.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by dhosek »

Ecstatify wrote: post #155
jesse_dot_id wrote: post #152

I didn't really see anything that knocked my socks off. Mostly, it's the promise that Siri now works in the way in which they said it would work a few years ago, when it didn't. I do like the addition of Siri in the context menu, though. I can see that being useful.

It’s the same broken promise every year. All I want is for Siri to set an alarm and open my blinds. That’s enough for me. Makes you wonder how much money Apple has poured into Siri over the years.

A few years ago, the ability to do anything other than a timed walk on my watch with Siri broke. I used to be able to do things like say, “start a 3 mile walk” or “start a 200 calorie walk” and then the latter stopped working and then the former stopped letting me do non-integer numbers of miles and then nothing at all and now I cannot do anything other than start an unmeasured walk or a timed walk with siri and I’m still pissed about that. I don’t want to have conversations with my watch or my phone, I want it to handle simple basic tasks reliably.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by dhosek »

vdfs wrote: post #164
bunher wrote: post #144

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Will it change iOS Settings for me that are hard to find by me just describing what I want? Or things like: delete every app I haven’t used in 6 months?

"I delete all your apps since I've been installed this month and I don't have enough records to suggest otherwise, to comply with your request I've deleted every app and also deleted the backups to save space on your device."

Also, just to make sure that I’ve done what you wanted, I will now brick your phone. You’re welcome.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by Topfi »

brookst wrote: post #319
jaggederest wrote: post #295

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> What about making Apple Watch specific APIs in iOS be made available to all third-party watch makers so any one can bring any smartwatch and use it just as effectively as the Apple Watch with an iPhone? What about all the AirPods specific APIs that lets Apple offer a better experience with AirPods than a generic bluetooth earbuds? What about Apple Pencil? And so on... Don't threaten me with a good time? All of thos…

Should you be able to use a Samsung SoC in an Apple phone? At some point this is just a debate about vertical integration. Apple can deliver better experiences with it, but of course it limits user choice. Many people want fully modular, open systems, which is lowest common denominator. I can see both sides of the argument, but I am so skeptical of regulators deciding what can be integrated or not. If modularity is b…

> Should you be able to use a Samsung SoC in an Apple phone?

How did we go in less than two comments from providing access to APIs that are already present, implemented and actively used by Apple (who in their holy wisdom deem us mortals not worthy to access these the way we choose) to a completely different hypothetical of requiring actively building support for another companies hardware?

Such slippery slopes really aren't helpful, nor in any way comparable to what the DMA actually intends or states.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by josephg »

dwaite wrote: post #291
himata4113 wrote: post #201

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"Trusted System Agent" imo sounds like an apple approved agent which would only be available to companies that accept apples (likely unreasonable) demands and would completely lock smaller companies out of the ecosystem.

My limited understanding is that it would be a local model that exists only to determine a limited set of local information necessary to answer the user's request. This request and information would then be shared with the third party. Third parties would otherwise not have access into the local semantic model based on user personal data.

Does apple's own siri need to pass requests through their gatekeeper AI? I bet it doesn't. Personally, I'm generally happy with any answer apple comes up with so long as they're bound by the same set of restrictions as 3rd party companies. I feel like that's the only way to make sure apple won't "accidentally" hobble their competitors. (Like they did with their ridiculous 50c per app install fee for 3rd party app stores).

I want Claude and OpenAI to be able to compete with Siri on an equal footing. Just like Apple maps has to compete with google maps. Competition pushes companies to make better products.

Re: Siri AI

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Post by asadotzler »

SecretDreams wrote: post #267
hollowturtle wrote: post #215

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> Having AI as a user interface is way more interesting than chat bots, image editors, or copy editing. What do you mean exactly? Audio conversation only? If so I don't see it very practical for most of the things

Use android auto Gemini assistant for 5 mins and tell me how interesting it is.

I do this, and it's got some utility some of the time. It's hardly a must-have, and if it cost me money I wouldn't pay for it.
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