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Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by overgard »

cmiles8 wrote: post #176

Sam Altman appears to represent a significant liability for OpenAI’s success from this point forward. A big portion of the driver for Anthropic’s meteoric rise over the last six months appears to be folks recognizing “it’s that AI startup not run by Sam Altman.” Anthropic has amazing tech, but its biggest asset at the moment seems to be that “it’s not OpenAI.” Not saying that’s right or wrong, but it’s clearly a fact…

I don't know, have you ever watched a video of Dario Amodei talking? I dislike them both immensely, but Dario both seems to take glee in scaring the shit out of people as a hobby with careless statements and his voice sounds like an impression of Elizabeth Holmes (the weird fake deep voice), and nothing he's said or done makes him seem more trustworthy.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by ryandrake »

Aurornis wrote: post #172
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

> We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. > Couldn’t tell. Why would you expect them to be able to recognize the signature of a model from a pair of PRs? I don’t understand why you think this is a useful test for anything when we have numerous benchmarks that run 100s of tests on model…

I think the subscription pricing model kind of incentivizes developers (at least hobby developers) to pick one and go all in on it. For someone who has probably never paid $20/mo for a piece of software in their life, $20/mo is kind of a big commitment, and the pay-per-token schemes are reportedly much more expensive for the equivalent blob of coding they enable. So you "pick one," plonk down the $20, and use it as much as you can in the month so it's worth it. If you want to try the other one, you don't renew next month, and plonk down another $20 for the other one.

You can go back and forth and compare since you pay for both subscriptions, but is that a usual case? I'd guess most developers picked one in 2025 and haven't gone back. Just like most people just pick a bank for their checking account and never change it.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by matusp »

brookst wrote: post #26
amazingamazing wrote: post #10

I never want to hear from developers again that they are not susceptible to marketing. I see meet ups specifically about Claude often. Modern tupperware party. A colleague was convinced Claude is better so we played a game. We used the claude code and codex harness and I implemented some prs they needed with gpt5.5 and opus4.7 and asked them to identify which came from which only from the code. Couldn’t tell. Edit: i…

This is like saying you gave a Taylor Swift fan sheet music from 1984 and from Michael Jackson’s thriller and they couldn’t tell the difference. I have a strong affinity for Claude Code because of the interaction experience and overall tone / vibe / process. I am 100% willing to believe the code it produces is identical or possibly less good than Codex. I enjoy working with Claude in a way I just don’t get from OpenA…

Can you give me some examples of these interactions / vibe?

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by 9dev »

tasuki wrote: post #260
9dev wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a weird way to look at it. Any car gets you to your destination, but some people prefer driving a sports car or an SUV. They get something out of it that isn't just a marketing delusion, but subjective joy from the interaction with one product over another.

Oh I've always thought people like SUVs just because they want a bigger and pricier toy than the other guy. Is it not so? > isn't just a marketing delusion, but subjective joy What is the difference? When a product is being marketed, isn't the subjective joy created by the marketing?

Attributing all joy and personal preference people experience to marketing influence is a pretty cynical take, and also a pretty inaccurate and overly simplistic one: Some people might never be reached by a marketing effort, yet buy a specific car because they remember a childhood story, or like pronounced rounded shapes, or because the interior design appeals to their sense of fashion.

Or more specifically, for the case of coding agent harnesses, where many developers have experimented with a wide range of tools - someone might just favour the interactions with a specific one from their personal experience. Entirely unrelated to marketing.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by vohk »

Maxatar wrote: post #287
amazingamazing wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am not sure why the past matters here. I am talking about now, it is a fast moving space. As for the test, of course the output matters. Take image models for example. Differences are clear as day. Should the fact that OpenAI existed before Anthropic did at all matter? No, imo. I would have used opus 4.8, but it only just came out- fast moving space

This is an incredibly silly comparison. It amounts to claiming that a Ford Pinto is just as good of a car as a Rolls-Royce by simply observing that both cars got a person from point A to point B. After all, once someone reaches their destination you can hardly tell what vehicle they actually used to get there, but that doesn't mean there's no difference between vehicles. What matters most in state of the art models i…

I think your analogy makes the opposite case better. A Rolls-Royce and a Pinto have the same real commute time because horsepower isn't the bottleneck, and they both get passengers from point to point. Sure the Pinto explodes a bit but much like the actuaries at Ford, you might well judge the cost of an occasional explosion to be a trade-off you can easily compensate for.

I would argue the process these days has more to do with the harness than the model, at least when we're talking about the SOTA options. Claude Code's biggest advantage isn't Opus, rather it's the shared knowledge the community has been building and sharing around using it effectively. Almost all of the out-of-the-box tutorials and skills and frameworks are build for Claude first, then Codex maybe.

I'd go further and say that CC and Codex are not even the best harnesses available, they just offer the most subsidized rate plans.

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Post by dboreham »

tasuki wrote: post #229
brookst wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is like saying you gave a Taylor Swift fan sheet music from 1984 and from Michael Jackson’s thriller and they couldn’t tell the difference. I have a strong affinity for Claude Code because of the interaction experience and overall tone / vibe / process. I am 100% willing to believe the code it produces is identical or possibly less good than Codex. I enjoy working with Claude in a way I just don’t get from OpenA…

I have a disaffinity for Claude Code because it's unnecessarily big, closed source (disregarding the leak), and I have a strong feeling it'll be shittified in the future because of all the investors waiting to cash out (and perhaps even earlier by vibe coding). I have an affinity for small open source tools that do one thing and do it well. But those are just my preferences and I feel a little bit like an alien :)

> it'll be shittified in the future

This happens to everything from which a profit is extracted.

Perhaps there's a way to fund the training of "actually open source" models, but so far we don't have that (unless you count the Chinese government).

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Post by TobTobXX »

duped wrote: post #321
echelon wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> driving humanity forward against its will. I want this technology! You don't speak for all of us. I'm sick of techo-Luddism. I'm sick of complaints about water use in a world that has avocados, beef, and fabric dyes. I'm sick of complaints about power use when you have your air conditioners, winter heat, air travel, and gaming PCs. I'm sick of artists saying AI image and video sucks. I'm sick of pretend artists, ar…

It makes me sad to read someone rejecting humanity.

Painting something new with great potential as negative and "the enemy" - this is truly the essence of humanity.

If the parent commenter enjoys working with LLMs, then just let them. This doesn't make them inhumane, nor does it make you less of a human.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by notnullorvoid »

ctvo wrote: post #104

I think Sam Altman is an asshole and I prefer to spend my money elsewhere. Frontier models being commoditize is inevitable. OpenAI thinks they're still competing on technology, and not user experience and market reputation otherwise they'd understand the continuous negative PR generated by Altman's chaos is going to cost them everything.

Sam and Dario are both assholes of the highest order. Sam just has more masks, and is better at wearing them.

Re: Anthropic surpasses OpenAI to become most valuable AI startup

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Post by dboreham »

bluelightning2k wrote: post #258

This is an absolute joke. Anthropic capitalized upon a brief window of being more code-focused, which turned into enterprize contracts. Then on renewal rug-pulled those same enterprises - going from your seat includes all the usage a user would reasonably need, to being you pay for the seat + all tokens at API pricing. (Which they raised by how many times in a year? I don't know the actual number.) Revenue spikes lik…

Anthropic hasn't done anything customer hostile to me.
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