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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by knightabu »

cermicelli wrote: post #327
knightabu wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Same mistakes Indian IT Service firms already did, trusting third-party AI Service providers across every division and department in companies. Now Open AI and Anthropic are launching own Service firm/wing for maximizing ROI. Direct Competition. Huge Loss for Indian IT Service Firms. They paid AI providers to Train own automated competition end to end so much so that they are learnt the gaps and how-to own the market…

I couldn't parse all of it, but largely I honestly think software is a sum of it's details you write better software the more details you add to the picture while maintaining simplicity. The art of software is balancing the two. You can also find this in science, I feel like software is about finding the Gauss’s law for the dozens of electrostatic principles the masses keep coming up with. AI strips away the need for…

I accept AI is a tool for a user who knows the fundamentals, and hope it makes the citizen developers or people who are not trained in programming to get more systems thinking. Its best if it makes more programmers when they want to understand the stuff.

Fun analogy Kinda like power tools like are we tightening a screw using a screwdriver or doing it with a power drill. Case in point there is chance of ease as well as more risk while doing it with power drill.

You are absolutely right, it can be guided to produce code but needs corrections like its too easy to create unmaintainable solutions.

Also to untrained eye without good architecture, it does the job but when one who doesn't have architectural skill will think that's enough and there's no more room for improvement. This cause troubles in their production.

Like if it solves their pain points and makes them think systematically and critically. That is better.

What i don't like is giving much information to 3rd party service providers of AI developer tooling LLMs + Copilot and such, which is causing lot of real market level Risk for Indian IT Service Firms and has started costing jobs and literally erosion of market share because the service providers like Open AI launched their own firms like Deploy.Co.

Smaller companies who didn't know any better using tooling and developing stuff and on growth bringing professionals to fix mistakes has been happening long. There are literally companies who made solutions by Access and Sold it to clients, we literally told them even as competitors to compile the things as programs to avoid from future cases of fraud by their Users who were doing shady things.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by sillyfluke »

stevex wrote: post #34

I don't think that's the direction this is going to take. Replacing a mature app with an incredibly wide audience and a million use cases may or may not be possible, but what's actually happening is that people are making an app that does exactly what they want, and using it to solve their own needs. Previously you might use Excel to take raw data from various places and analyze it, create charts, reports, extract fi…

This is such a bizarre misrepresentation of the author's point that I have to assume in good faith that it's based on a misreading of the post. Otherwise, you are unintentionally proving the author's point by describing (now) trivial uses of AI as some sort of counterpoint, or simply making an unrelated point that doesn't have anything to do with the author's main argument.

The author's point is not specifically about Photoshop. It's right there in the second paragraph:

>Where is the vibecoded Photoshop. The vibecoded Excel. The vibecoded Maya. The vibecoded Blender. The vibecoded compiler that compiles itself. The vibecoded database, the vibecoded OS, the vibecoded anything-that-requires-architectural-judgment-to-hold-together

What do all these examples have in common, besides requiring "architectural judgment-to-hold-together"?

They are software created by mid-large companies or organizations with a large of numbers of contributors. It's not about Photoshop, it's about developing complex software with high quality control and a continuous mature and continuous release cycle to a demanding set of hundreds/thousands of users. So to take that it in and then say, "Well, I don't think AI going to be used fo build that stuff, it's going to be directly used by non-technical end users to bypass existing more complex legacy software like Excel," is only proving the author's point.

Cause at the end of the day, what are all these companies "token-maxxing" actually building and selling to their customers? That's the larger point the author is making. Just as you imply, a large swath of apps and SaaS are being wiped out by end-users directly using AI. So the only viable path is to raise the bar on what is being built. Someone should be vibecodinfg a phone OS and vibe-building an actual phone alternative to Android and iOS, if it's actually possible. Someone should be vibecoding the Metaverse and vibecoding hundreds of Apple Vision Pro apps to make VR/AR actually viable (again). And on and on.

The only honest counterpoint to the author's post, unless you can cite vibecoded software at the level of scale and maturity they are seeking, should be:

Yeah, 2026 was the year the coding performance of LLMs passed a certain maturity threshold adoption-wise so we should realistically give it a few more years to see if it is actually possible to vibecode continuously released ambitious complex software used by demanding users on the scale you mention.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by [deleted] »

consumer451 wrote: post #322
swatcoder wrote: post #298

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> 6 months of fiddling with a couple of different AIs in his spare time Six months of fiddling and $X00 in subscription/token fees to make a DIY inventory management app that's going to need regular attention and revision, with ongoing service fees, to accommodate not-quite-right implementations and hidden technical debt. That's a toy for wealthy hobbyists, not a revolution. The industry needs to deliver on a lot mor…

> That's a toy for wealthy hobbyists, not a revolution. Isn't this exactly how many technologies get started? A PC used to cost as much as a very nice used car, and had few practical uses cases, as one example.

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Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by xerox13ster »

zero_shift wrote: post #300
darkwater wrote: post #57

I don't think most of the commenter so far are getting the real meaning of this post. The post author is calling out the "Where are the vibecoded Photoshops?" folks for empty accusations. The "accusers" in their post are THE people asking that question, not the AI users. See this paragraph: > There are no vibecoded Photoshops because vibecoding does not do what the rhetoric claims it does. The accusation itself is th…

For others who are confused. The author is someone in the demoscene who has been accused of "vibe coding" large pieces of work. His counter is that if such things are possible, where is the vibe coded Photoshop? He then goes on a tangent that "vibe coding" is a kind of easy accusation mostly levelled at "neurodiverse" developers Which is why he ends the post: So. Where are the vibecoded Photoshops? WHERE IS THE THREA…

the lady doth protest too much, Methinks

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by zardo »

hgoel wrote: post #348
joenot443 wrote: post #211

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> neither will the one off random app that only your household uses This reminds me a bit of the 2010s idea that every house would have a 3D printer to make one off repairs. Years later, this still seems far out of reach. If anything, it seems to have been settled that most non-technicals don't want a 3D printer. Vibe coded apps are great, but unless they're hitting an already open API, they're effectively hermetic.…

It's really funny to be declaring the idea of 3d printers being ubiquitous as dead because they weren't a smartphone scale change in how the world works, while pretending that 3d printers aren't more common and accessible than ever.

Yeah, a better comparison than the smartphone would be something like a table saw. You don't assume everyone has one, but it's not very unusual to have one in the garage.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by basisword »

datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #245
basisword wrote: post #242

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The big difference from 3D printers is that there is zero upfront investment required. The number of non-technical people I've seen making simple tools/scripts to automate bits of their workflow is astonishing. Costs them nothing to at least try it out.

> The number of non-technical people I've seen making simple tools/scripts to automate bits of their workflow is astonishing. The overwhelming majority of the population doesn’t even know what a tool or script is. Of the remaining who do, I would not be shocked that they’re capable of asking an LLM to produce one for them.

>> The overwhelming majority of the population doesn’t even know what a tool or script is.

They don't need to know what it is. "Hey ChatGPT I have to check this report daily and update a spreadsheet with the latest changes, can you do it for me?"

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by rescbr »

swatcoder wrote: post #298
bradley13 wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Exactly this. I have an acquaintence who is a wine connoisseur and collector. He has done technical project management, but does not program himself. Over the course of several months, he has produced an app that manages a database of the wines he has. It's a lot more that just a CRUD-app. In addition to maintaining the obvious data (name, year, winery, notes, etc.), it can take a photo of the label, parse it, and fi…

> 6 months of fiddling with a couple of different AIs in his spare time Six months of fiddling and $X00 in subscription/token fees to make a DIY inventory management app that's going to need regular attention and revision, with ongoing service fees, to accommodate not-quite-right implementations and hidden technical debt. That's a toy for wealthy hobbyists, not a revolution. The industry needs to deliver on a lot mor…

No need to be wealthy. Last December I paid $180 for an year of Z.ai's coding plan. It's enough for hobby use.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by techpression »

bensyverson wrote: post #343
techpression wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you use Photoshop? The underlying engine which gives support for layers and smart objects is in itself such an amazing piece of tech that nobody seems to get even close to (and I’ve tried them all). The brush engine is fantastic, liquify and the general support for plugins, and heck, just the basic math behind the filters. Canva and Figma are layout tools, not for pixel editing. Recreating it would make it faster…

I'm not being argumentative; I was genuinely trying to understand why you would aim to recreate Photoshop in particular, because Photoshop includes such a huge range of functionality. If it's about recreating the brush engine, that's pretty achievable. I would be curious to learn why Krita is not enough though. Context: I've developed multiple Photoshop file format parsers/writers and know Photoshop at a very deep le…

That’s fair, it’s just that a lot of the functionality overlaps in very rewarding ways, even if you only use the overlap 5% it’s incredibly frustrating to not have that function when you need it

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by whywhywhywhy »

lionkor wrote: post #97
TeMPOraL wrote: post #75

IDK, but I have three or four vibe-coded 0.1%-Photoshops already - small utility apps, all self-contained, client-side, static, zero build-step browser tools, each of them solving a very particular problem for me. Things like, drop an image, get a printable label sheet that force-overrides all margin and scaling settings (recent upgrade to a tool I had that did that with plaintext address data), or metadata-preservin…

And most importantly, you don't care at all if the tool you vibe-coded is any good. If you write at tool that converts an image to black & white, you are the kind of person who doesn't know or care what KIND of black&white it is. The fact that there are many algorithms to choose from would never cross your mind. The same happens with whatever tool you vibe-code. You get the average of the worst quality open source ve…

Yeah but what happens when you do know the names of the algorithms…

Like an experienced digital artist would.

Re: Where Are the Vibecoded Photoshops?

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Post by datsci_est_2015 »

basisword wrote: post #356
datsci_est_2015 wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The number of non-technical people I've seen making simple tools/scripts to automate bits of their workflow is astonishing. The overwhelming majority of the population doesn’t even know what a tool or script is. Of the remaining who do, I would not be shocked that they’re capable of asking an LLM to produce one for them.

>> The overwhelming majority of the population doesn’t even know what a tool or script is. They don't need to know what it is. "Hey ChatGPT I have to check this report daily and update a spreadsheet with the latest changes, can you do it for me?"

Can you come up with a better example? I ask ChatGPT your question verbatim:

> Hey ChatGPT I have to check this report daily and update a spreadsheet with the latest changes, can you do it for me?

And it recommends:

  - process automation using a script (I don’t know what that is)
  - parse the report (what’s parsing?)
  - update the spreadsheet automatically (cool, how?)
  - highlight differences (no I want it done automatically)
Obviously I want it done automatically, so I tell it it’s excel and its next response tells me to use “pip install pandas”. I close the browser and go back to work.

So yeah, trivial for you and me, but you can’t act like we’re in magic wizard territory.

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