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Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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> There's nothing forcing you to use Chrome instead of Edge This is what I mean. How is it a "monopoly" when one can easily just use something else? The only thing people are saying its "its a monopoly because it has high market share". But a high market share does not a monopoly make, there's more to it than just purely market share. A monopoly requries outsized market power , something that to me at least it doesn'…

People being able to switch relatively easily means that they're a lot more likely to lose their market power in five years. It doesn't do much to diminish their current market power, which is enormous. High market share almost always means high market power. That's why people focus on market share since it's easy to cite.

> they're a lot more likely to lose their market power in five years

It doesn't take users five years to install a different browser. It takes maybe two to five minutes. If they really do things to piss off their users they'll be gone far faster than that.

What kind of lock-in does a browser even really have? Its not like some kind of social network or financial setup or anything like that. The browser itself doesn't have the content. Its run an installer, have it import bookmarks and extensions, and you're using a different browser. Its not like we're back in the days of ActiveX where there were entirely proprietary extensions to the web that only Microsoft blessed browsers could run that only ran on certain OSes.

> almost always means high market power.

It doesn't when the competition is so readily available, practically interchangeable, and also zero cost.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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There's nothing forcing you to use Chrome instead of Edge, but some websites don't work with Safari or Firefox because Google has pushed nonstandard stuff. And it's weirdly not only advanced WebWhatever stuff, but also some things that affects basic features like forms. Though sometimes they have a separate mobile site that was tested in iPhone Safari. I find the discrepancy kinda minor though. It's enough that I hav…

> There's nothing forcing you to use Chrome instead of Edge This is what I mean. How is it a "monopoly" when one can easily just use something else? The only thing people are saying its "its a monopoly because it has high market share". But a high market share does not a monopoly make, there's more to it than just purely market share. A monopoly requries outsized market power , something that to me at least it doesn'…

The argument others are making is that Google has a monopoly on browser engines, or that it's becoming that way. IE switched to Chromium partially to resolve compatibility issues. I don't have a strong opinion on this though.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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What is RMS’ solution to this problem?

I know what his solution is not. It's not a mechanism that conveniently enables the fine-grained surveillance of people that just so happens to be google's business model.

I specifically asked the question I did because rejecting solutions without proposing your own is a great way to not solve the problem.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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I am only aware of two solutions: 1) proof of identity, tying accounts to real-world things that are hard or impossible to replicate 2) proof of work, tying accounts or actions to the ability to run computations Proof of identity in theory can solve the problem but at the cost of privacy. Proof of work can be defeated but has the possibility of preserving privacy.

3) micropayments There are many issues with those, like the wildly different standards of living across the globe. OTOH anyone can acquire Monero if they want to. But someone from a rich country will likely be able to pay for more fake accounts/visits than someone from a poor country. With the ad market the difference between where the visitor is from is very important. Some ad clicks may cost a dollar if they're com…

Fair enough, I didn’t think of that one. I suppose macropayments could be in the same bucket.

Analogous to hardware disparities and POW, wealth disparities make payment a toll but not a roadblock.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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What is his solution to combatting botnets at scale?

His solution would be taking democracy and freedom above interest of couple of botnet attacked websites.

What does that even mean?

I don’t mean to be rude but every single person who references RMS here seems to only have platitudes rather than solutions.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Both comments appeared as [dead] within a few minutes of being made, despite not appearing as [flagged]. They're visible now, but still. What caused them to appear as [dead] in the first place?

There are several possible reasons, so I'd need links to the specific posts in order to answer.

Mine: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=48065850

There was another sibling comment posted around the same time that was also dead.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Hell, even using cash feels like a minor form of dissent. And of course even if you leave your phone at home, your car will be scanned with ANPR wherever it goes. And if that fails, there's still your face to be tracked.

The cars themselves phone home all the time. You have to physically remove the transceiver to prevent it or run a jammer nonstop at the risk of a felony.

Yeah. I’ve never owned a car newer than 2006 though. These days I just ride a bike. Though the fancier e-bikes have gps tracking…

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Maybe a dumb question, but how is this suppose to work for iphone users? They wont have google play, and it seems like android/google play is required here? There is no way they would cut out such a huge chunk of the market.

iPhone users will have to install the "reCAPTCHA" app. https://apps.apple.com/us/app/recaptcha/id6746882749 This is detailed at https://support.google.com/recaptcha/answer/16609652

What's up with the reviews? It's pure spam and the 1-star review is completely hidden.

Re: Google Cloud Fraud Defence is just WEI repackaged

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Turns out RMS has always been right. How surprising.

Turns out that identifying a problem doesn't help without a workable solution/alternative.

The first step in solving a problem is identifying it.
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