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Re: Can I disable all data collection from my vehicle?

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RevEng wrote: post #171
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Mine has either off, warn, or warn+adjust (but adjustment is very gentle, more of a nudge). I can imagine it can save a life someone dozing off and drifting.

Also great if you are distracted, perhaps by kids in the back or something happening on the side of the road. Mine has chirped at me a few times. It's basically the electronic version of rumble strips.

Precisely. Same for the warning triangle on the mirrors or warning beep from the blind spot radars, or traction control on my bike.

It's a safety feature increasing the safety of myself and everyone around. Not a replacement of anything.

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ErroneousBosh wrote: post #280
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Well, I love my lane assistance (Hyundai). If I didn't want it though, it's a very easy (and "sticky") toggle in settings.

Why? What do you love about it?

The answer is quite obvious if you look at what it does and what it's intended to prevent/limit.

I encourage you to take a look.

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poochkoishi728 wrote: post #262
foresto wrote: post #144

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For those unfamiliar with DoIP: https://automotivevehicletesting.com/vehicle-diagnostics/doi... https://www.iso.org/standard/13400-2

The first link leads malicious ads/malware. On iphone says viruses detected pretending to be apple/google

I don't see anything suspicious, but I browse with scripts and ads blocked, so it's possible that you encountered something that never reached me. Thanks for the warning. Unfortunately, it's too late to edit my comment.

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Post by estimator7292 »

Spooky23 wrote: post #320
magguzu wrote: post #289

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This is the part that's seriously sucks. We need greener alternatives (current state of things especially highlighting that) and car dependency has crushed us, so instead of just giving us the basic EV most of us want, they've taken the capitalistic approach of giving us massive luxury cars with premium features often cloud-tied, that happen to also be EVs. You can count the exceptions to this on one hand.

I wonder if Tesla was a grift from day 1. They seemed to be the halo EV company that everyone accepted, until the charismatic leader moved on. You need government support to make EVs a preferred option. Poor folk buy cheap cars, and they mostly rent. The whole scenario around EV charging is a shitshow, and the tax incentives were insufficient to fix it. I had a Model Y for awhile and really liked it, and now have a f…

In retrospect, most of Musk's ventures would indeed appear to be grifts from the very start. Many of them were plainly transparent grifts with only a perfunctory attempt to hide the fact (hyperloop)

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Post by a96 »

exabrial wrote: post #220

I still don't understand why this isn't treated as a national security threat. If X bad guy wanted to do devastating damage to the US Economy during a wartime situation, even a day "burb" in transportation would swing the tide of a war, let alone permanently disabling thousands of workers from getting to their jobs. Cell connected vehicles are unnecessary and a danger for so many reasons.

Because it's your nation and its businesses that want this.

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Post by karlgkk »

xp84 wrote: post #31
karlgkk wrote: post #19

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> As someone who got into a rollover accident which ended with my car upside down on a freeway, hearing only the onstar person talking to me while half conscious, this is sad. My phone does this now. Most phones do it now.

Maybe in theory, but I trust Apple to detect a crash correctly about as far as I can throw my iPhone without breaking its glass back or front. This is the company whose flagship voice assistant, in 2026, can’t tell the intended recipient in a sentence like “Text Bob Mary signed the deal.” And if my phone happens to be thrown into the back of the car by the crash, I doubt anyone will be able to hear me. Not to mention…

Considering the problem space, and comparing your speech recognition to what cars have, I think you’ll find your onstar system is worse in every way

So for all of the reasons you stated, I’ve strongly come to the opposite conclusion

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Post by lschueller »

pesus wrote: post #59
Cider9986 wrote: post #36

Related: Mozilla did a review of different cars for privacy: ( https://www.mozillafoundation.org/en/privacynotincluded/arti... ) >Nissan earned its second-to-last spot for collecting some of the creepiest categories of data we have ever seen. [Their privacy policy] includes your “sexual activity.” Not to be out done, Kia also mentions they can collect information about your “sex life” in their privacy policy. Oh, and…

Ignoring the fact that it's absolutely unhinged and bonkers to include that in the first place, I don't even understand how they could possibly ever get any information about that. Are they using LLMs to generate these policies without review? Or are there really lawyers out there who thought this was pertinent and important to include?

I get your point of view. But many many many years ago meta searches for persons already included categories like "sexual orientation" and got this data points from myspace profiles no one ever thought of. So, in a lawyers mind there might be some logic behind it, when marketing says, they collect data about people, who recently became parents and the conclusion to somehow classify this type of information into a data category of "sexual activity" as collecting such data is by law allowed in some countries, while collecting data about relationship or children is prohibited. For me, this sounds very much like this corporate thinking of how to defend against the slightes legal risk of undisclosed data handling.

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willis936 wrote: post #348
slumberlust wrote: post #321

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How did you confirm this? I believe you think you did it, but is there any way to confirm its not still sending via another module?

I have the service manual and can see there is only one telematics module in the car. It has two redundant LTE antennas and one GPS antenna going into the telematics module. The onstar calling works when the antennas are plugged in and doesn't when they're not. Can I confirm that they don't hide a bug somewhere in my car without stripping it down to the bone? No, but I'm not a schizo, so I won't bother.

That is a very reasonable level of diligence, but I don't think it's right to characterize further skepticism as "schizo" -- lets imagine the car has a separate entertainment system or sirusxm radio (perhaps not the case for yours)-- in that case it might have an entirely separate telematics function reporting back to a different corporate master. Because of how cars are built there are many places where subsystems are effectively duplicated. Sirus performing telematics in addition to the manufactures hardware isn't a hypothetical example.

More fair to say that you satisfied your level of concern. But it's entirely not schizo for someone to be concerned that there was more than one tracking vector, especially given that manufactures already active inhibit efforts to disable tracking and ordinary practices of the automotive industry.

Or, in other words, please don't privacy shame people. If you felt your approach was sufficient-- awesome! Better to be nothing like the people who were others names online for asking about disabling telematics at all, only to be all shocked pikachu when their insurer jacked their rates later based on their driving activity. :P

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Post by rootusrootus »

kjkjadksj wrote: post #315
rootusrootus wrote: post #222

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The boring ones. Things like Bolt, Niro, Equinox, Lightning, etc. Not every EV is like Tesla.

I just did a search on the bolt and apparently users are having to modify their antennae to stop onstar telemetry. Kia also collects telemetry. Equinox also with the onstar issue. Ford also collects telemetry. Once again, are there any that work functionally like my airgapped ICE car? It is only 8 years old. I’m worried there aren’t.

OnStar telemetry has been a thing since well before your 8 year old car.

As I said, nothing to do with being an EV. All new cars have some variety of telemetry. You may choose not to buy a newer car, but it has nothing to do with whether it is an EV or not.

But be careful because an 8 year old ICEV from GM has OnStar

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Post by rootusrootus »

Spooky23 wrote: post #212
rootusrootus wrote: post #175

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nothing about this has anything to do with EVs

EVs and luxury cars tend to have more fancy features that enable these issues than ice or hybrid cars. That’s changing as more advanced tech filters down.

It can be true. I've owned two Teslas, which meet that description. I've also owned a Bolt, which was just a basic car. I still own a Lightning, which is also pretty basic (it can get occasional ... very occasional ... OTA updates, but the ICE F150 got OTA update ability before the Lightning existed).

I think a bunch of people have decided that EV means Tesla or Rivian, and maybe Hyundai/Kia, and possibly VW if they think about it. But there are a bunch of EVs driving on the roads that people don't even realize exist, they look like every other car. They tend not to have fancy features.

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