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Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by rightofcourse »

embedding-shape wrote: post #93
encom wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>fundamental internet infrastructure I'm not saying this situation isn't bullshit, but the bigger problem is that CloudFlare is now "fundamental internet infrastructure". This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent. Yesterday I got stuck in endless CloudFlare CAPTCHA's, trying to access theretroweb.com. I had to give up. Many such cases. I hate CloudFlare so much, it's unreal.

> This is precisely the situation that the internet was designed to prevent Right, but on the other hand, our constitution and laws are supposed to give us the rights to access a internet where the government cannot block entire companies who host websites, because a few bad websites are hosted there. Not to mention all us freelancers, contractors and just in general computing users, who sometimes want to continue wo…

The LaLiga post seem to accuse Cloudflare of unlawful activity directly by protecting criminals, not just the illegal streamers. At least my reading (of Google translation) is that they target Cloudflare here and it works "as expected" since Cloudflare is the bad guys.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by mschuster91 »

fc417fc802 wrote: post #248
mschuster91 wrote: post #230

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> What would prevent a pirate site operator from registering a domain a few months in advance and sitting on it in the meantime? It's driving up the cost and expenses. Operators of legitimate sites don't have to worry during that probation time about anything with the exception of customers in Spain during LL match hours. LL has ~10 matches / weekend (Fri/Sat/Sun/Mon), that means pirates have to have about 40 domains…

> It's driving up the cost and expenses. That's an interesting point. Are their margins so slim that they can't afford less than ~$50 per domain? I'm not familiar with their revenue model. This is the sort of thing that could be done via the legislature if Spain were serious and playing by the rules. They could require ISPs to do DNS filtering based on domain age during matches. If they really wanted to do service le…

> Are their margins so slim that they can't afford less than ~$50 per domain?

It's not (just) about driving up the financial cost, that works out decently to combat "normal" spam. The thing is, it drives up the organizational effort - you need to acquire and maintain a constant fresh stream of fake identities, payment credentials and the likes.

> Let's set aside for a moment that I think this suggestion is completely absurd. Are these sites using some prepackaged streaming solution? Do you not realize that I can stream video from any machine using software I control?

At the moment, the pirates are streaming through Cloudflare, which is why CF is being targeted with the mass bans in the first place.

And yes, Cloudflare could go and say "we block everything looking like m3u8 HLS, DASH or other forms of video streaming for young accounts". Cloudflare has enough AI to dynamically detect and ban abusive clients - you can't seriously assume they could not detect someone running video streams on the server side.

> Since when have you needed a license or verification to publish? You're acting as though a global impressum requirement is the natural state of affairs. Your demand is an affront to free society.

One man's freedom ends where another man's freedom begins, society cannot survive without an "immune system" to ward off abuse, and Cloudflare are an accomplice to a whole lot of abusive behavior that is worthy to call out and confront.

> That seems like an entirely separate matter, if it's even true at all.

Have you ever heard about the term "bullet-proof hosting"?

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by flobosg »

redbell wrote: post #251

This behavior of blocking some domains and IP ranges during LaLiga games has become a routine by now. You might also want to check these similar submissions: My game's server is blocked in Spain whenever there's a football match on: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45358433 Spain’s LaLiga has blocked access to freedom.gov: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47114235

See https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=false&qu... as well.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by SturgeonsLaw »

Semaphor wrote: post #332
fn-mote wrote: post #252

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Out of curiosity, what does happen?

AFAIK not much in most of the world, in Germany you get a letter from lawyers wanting ~1000 EUR

In Australia the court ruled that they can only sue for the cost of renting the movie, so they don't bother trying to recoup their ten bucks

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by lukan »

cryptonym wrote: post #347
direwolf20 wrote: post #337

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Cloudflare has nothing to do with it. Actually you should further insist on using Cloudflare in Spain to increase the collateral cost of this ridiculous government decision as much as possible. Make it so not a single website works during football, and see if the government changes their tune.

If cloudflare is providing services to illegal websites, they very much are in full control of the situation. They knowingly choose to keep hosting that content, and have legal customers exposed to that risk. You may like that the platform is open by default to everybody, but that's the obvious consequence.

Does cloudflare refuse a court order to take down a site? I don't think so.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by fabianmg »

chrz wrote: post #229
richwater wrote: post #42

Spain is a failing country. Their economy is in shambles and the government has ceded internet control to a private corporation who runs football games.

Are you spanish and never went to another country? I only heard such things from never-stop complaining locals that never traveled anywhere. Yeah La Liga is a religion here, but Spain is one of the worlds top of life quality mate

You most likely are arguing with a right winger from Spain. They compare the president with a dictator in their right wing media, and they basically talk about Spain like is Venezuela at every opportunity.

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by evilmonkey19 »

Last weekend happened as well :/

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47480926

The situation every weekend is getting worse and worse. Honestly, I cannot understand how any goverment who wants freedom for its citizens can allow to block internet access to a whole country only because a private football company asks for it. I guess LaLiga is the 4th statement in Spain...

A probably will get even worse the situation with Fastly entering the equation: https://www.fastly.com/press/press-releases/fastly-and-lalig...

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by dariosalvi78 »

embedding-shape wrote: post #79
freetanga wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

All people affected should file a complaint with your ISP and with Oficina de Atención al Usuario de Telecomunicaciones claiming financial loss for arbitrary service censorship.

I've been filing complaints since a year ago, told others to do the same too, nothing happens. There been moments I've meant to deploy fixes to issues but I cannot, because some tooling goes offline. I've claimed financial loss, claimed sanity loss and everything in-between, but I'm afraid unless something reaches the European/EU courts, Spain will continue to be in the pocket of the La Liga owners. Straight up fucki…

these things need to be brought to an international court who would require the government to act. Otherwise nothing happens, because institutions are completely corrupt.

It takes time, money and a strong legal team, but maybe IT companies maybe can put this together?

Re: Tell HN: Docker pull fails in Spain due to football Cloudflare block

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Post by iamtedd »

SturgeonsLaw wrote: post #354
Semaphor wrote: post #332

Earlier quoted context omitted.

AFAIK not much in most of the world, in Germany you get a letter from lawyers wanting ~1000 EUR

In Australia the court ruled that they can only sue for the cost of renting the movie, so they don't bother trying to recoup their ten bucks

That's interesting. Do you have further reading? I've seen AFACT v iiNet, but that doesn't look to be the source of "cost of renting", just that the ISP isn't responsible for their users.
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