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Post by linkregister »

SoftTalker wrote: post #254
linkregister wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You can get a new Model 3 base model for $36k. A Hyundai Ioniq 5 MSRP is $35k. A Chevy Bolt is $30k. A non-EV Toyota Camry is $30k (hybrid and ICE). We are almost there. For buyers on a budget, the used car market is liquid for EVs as of now.

Yeah I'm talking more like half that. $15K for a basic, no-frills hatchback type EV. I personally buy used, and pay about a quarter of that or less when I buy a car.

I buy used as well (>10 years old)

If you can hoof it all the way to Fairfield (2.5 hours from Y Combinator HQ in SF; Muni->BART->Amtrak->taxi), you can get a 7 year old Model 3 for $14k tomorrow.

https://www.autotrader.com/cars-for-sale/vehicle/770441711?a...

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Post by Tagbert »

yndoendo wrote: post #191
bwestergard wrote: post #107

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"exporting your own oil and gas to be able to have a 'clean' (and up to recently heavily subsidized) transportation network is in a way just a gigantic bookkeeping trick" How so? If every oil exporter used some of their oil revenue to switch to EVs, that would, all things equal, hasten the transition to EVs. The U.S. is not doing that.

I still find it funny when it comes to oil between the USA and Saudi Arabia. Saudi Arabia started moving the electrical system to renewables where USA is doubling down on fossil fuels. Saudi Arabia is the drug dealer that knows you don't consumer your own supply unless you must were the USA consumes the crack they sell. My next vehicle will 100% be pure EV, not Tesla.

The funny thing is the US doesn’t really consume much Saudi Oil. The US is a net exporter of oil, though they do import some specific types of oils and export more of others.

The US’s interest in the Middle East oil is a lot about stabilizing oil prices. At least it used to be when there was a rational policy and competent executors.

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Post by Tagbert »

nxm wrote: post #344
speedgoose wrote: post #152

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At least it doesn’t smell ICE fumes downtown. That’s neat.

Haven’t smell fumes downtown in 30 years since catalytic converters became prevalent

In the US, near a major roadway on a cold morning, the fumes are strong. Not every car or truck is maintained properly and running in cold weather really magnifies that effect.

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Post by dmix »

It's okay when legacy companies die. That can be a good thing. Having the same few companies around for 100yrs isn't always a benefit for the world.

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Post by krustyburger »

ggm-at-algebras wrote: post #349

In Shenzhen for a tech meeting. The streetscape is quieter, despite high traffic levels and I hear not only MORE birdsong, but the birds do more complex songlines. The air is clean. For sure some of this is because it's a coastal city and has fresh sea breezes, but I've been in other Chinese coastal cities in times past and the air was significantly less clean. There are social upsides for an almost-all-EV city. This…

Surely you don’t think birds have evolved to sing more complex songs in the time since mass EV adoption?

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Post by [deleted] »

slg wrote: post #346
rkagerer wrote: post #308

Honda is setting itself up for failure on the second disruption sweeping the automotive industry: the software-defined vehicle (SDV), which has core capabilities that can be upgraded and improved over time. No thank you. Not sure why the author frames this as a good thing. They've been bamboozled by the automakers and have got it backwards - you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled,…

>you're buying a vehicle that already has the capabilities, but are disabled, then paying rent (or a fee) to turn them on. This is very much not what "software-defined vehicle" means which itself is very much not the same thing as EVs. It's possible to criticize the explotative business practices you mentioned (or bad UI practices like moving everything to a touchscreen instead of physical buttons) without linking th…

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Post by underlipton »

dzonga wrote: post #328

I think Japanese automakers by sticking to ICE vehicles have admitted defeat - that they no longer have the engineering prowess to compete. they dominated in the era of small engines. with EVs - the Chinese have run away with the stick & sadly no one is catching up. I wish the Japanese made good EVs - Germans are the only ones besides the Chinese making decent EVs

It may not necessarily be the catastrophic move it seems to be, on reflection. 2030s Japan will not be 1970s Japan. Their labor force is different, the culture is different, the world is different. It might be better to not waste time and money chasing the, "We USED to make amazing cars," phantom, and instead push forward into whatever comes next.

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Post by noncoml »

small_model wrote: post #317
thelastgallon wrote: post #300

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spot on, except for the part about Tesla. Tesla shut down production of Model S & X. Coming up next: 3 and Y. Also, Tesla has YOY decreasing revenue and sales. Pretty soon, they will go pre-revenue and embrace what they are: A NFT traded on the stock market for bragging rights.

I'll just leave his here, "Tesla achieved a record-breaking third quarter in 2025 (Q3 2025), delivering 497,099 vehicles". It's expected that to be exceeded most quarters going forward

What do you achieve by trying to distort reality?

2024 total deliveries: 1,789,226

2025 total deliveries: 1,636,129

That 8% decline YOY

Sources:

https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-fourth-quarter-2024...

https://ir.tesla.com/press-release/tesla-fourth-quarter-2025...

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Post by somethoughts »

TrackerFF wrote: post #85

I live in a top EV market, Norway. ICE cars have been planned out for years now, and something like 96% of all new cars in Norway were EV last year. Basically, if you plan on keeping selling ICE cars, you're removing yourself from the market here. There's no future for new personal ICE cars here. I figure most other countries will be the same.

My hot take for Japan is that hybrids make the most sense until one the major markets (US or all of EU) has significant traction with respect to ubiquitous EV charger infrastructure.

Tesla can fund the project of making EV chargers ubiquitous in the US and make it make sense within the context of a profitable business plan.

Chinese manufacturers can similarly make it make sense financially.

Japanese auto makers who are heavily subsidized by the Japanese government can't easily fund the infrastructure project of making EV chargers ubiquitous in a foreign country like the US or EU and their home market is much smaller.

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Post by cucumber3732842 »

jasonwatkinspdx wrote: post #81
viccis wrote: post #66

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>Now that the CAFE standards have been rendered toothless Can you elaborate on this? I'd love to have a cheap small truck like they used to make, but CAFE largely killed those.

Cheap small trucks were killed by the chicken tax, not CAFE.

The Chicken tax didn't kill the domestically manufactured Ranger and turn the Colorado into the huge thing it is today.

CAFE killed them too. You can't have a small vehicle that gets fuck all MPG because it's built like a tank to do work. You gotta have a bigger one that gets slightly worse MPG but has a way huger footprint in order to make the math math.

This didn't just kill compact pickups for 20yr. It also killed the Chevy Astro (the most "fullsize work van" of the minivans) and why you'll never see a car with a giant overhanging cargo area again.

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