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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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The whole premise of the second amendment is about citizens being armed in order to resist/overthrow a government

Of course, if you're taking up arms to resist/overthrow a government, then you should be entirely anticipating that the government will shoot back. Or shoot first.

If protest is approaching/crossing the line into insurgency, people need to seriously consider that they may be putting their life on the line. It's not a game.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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> Patel said he got the idea for the investigation from Higby. This is confirmation that this wasn't being investigated until just now. This is surprising, I would have thought that "how are these people organizing" would have been an obvious thing to look into.

Why is it so obvious to you to investigate something that is perfectly legal?

The current bias is so large for the administration that most people haven't even clocked that what they are doing is legal

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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Coordinating roadblocks, "dearrests", warning the subjects of law enforcement operations, and intentionally causing the maximum amount of noise in neighborhoods neighborhood are not things you will be able to get a federal judge to characterize as "constitutionally protected speech".

Actually... making noise in a neighborhood is constitutionally protected speech (as I have learned when my neighbors crank the sub-par disco up to 11.)

https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.72

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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The FBI should investigate the murders done by ICE and until done with that, remain silent.

And importantly the DoJ attorneys who would be responsible for investigating g the murders resigned because they were prevented from performing the standard procedure investigation that happens after every single shooting. They were instead directed to investigate the family of the person who was shot: https://kstp.com/kstp-news/top-news/nyt-6-federal-prosecutor... We are through the looking glass, folks. This will b…

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Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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I'm convinced all this talk around Signal, including Hegseths fuckup, is to discourage "normies" (for lack of a better term) from using it. Even in this very HN thread, where you'd expect technical nuance, there are people spreading FUD around the phone number requirement as if that'd be your downfall... a timestamp and a phone number? How would that get someone convicted in court?

They don't have to get a conviction if they know your address and have a gun.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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> unless we demand answers from Congress, and hold SCOTUS responsible for partisan abdication of their constitutional duties. You can demand answers from Congress, but until a significant portion of the GOP base demands answers, they are just going to ignore your demands. As of now 39% of Americans support the administration. Also, you can't hold SCOTUS responsible, only Congress can.

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Currently they are attempting to strip our second amendment rights. They murdered a man in the street, from hands up to shit in the back in under 20 seconds, merely for lawful possession and in direct violation of the 2nd amendment. The President is bumbling around today mumbling "you can't bring a gun to a protest" when yes the 2nd amendment directly allows that.

A lot of people that care a lot about the 2nd amendment saw the photo of Pretti's gun on the ICE rental car seat, and they saw a well-used, well-cared-for weapon that was clean and seen a lot time at the range. They saw that it can happen to somebody just like them.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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You have an occupation force killing bystanders in your streets. Resistance is exactly what is needed.

What's needed is MNPD sharing their data around the criminal illegal aliens with ICE so that they can execute the deportation orders that have already been issued by judges. The structure of your message implies you are not American. DHS posts the people they deport here: https://www.dhs.gov/wow It's really hard to go down that list and say "yeah i'd rather have these people here than have ICE deporting people".

That would not be a problem if they deported these people, instead of what they are doing.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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I don't know signal very well but when I have spoken to others about it they mention that the phone number is the only metadata they will have access to. This seems like a good example of that being enough metadata to be a big problem.

Was starting to think about setting up a neighborhood Signal group, but now thinking that maybe something like Briar might be safer... only problem is that Briar only works on Android which is going to exclude a lot of iPhone users.

I spent a dozen years in SF, where my friend circles routinely used Signal. It's my primary messaging app, including to family and childhood friends.

I live in NY now. Just today, I got a message from a close friend who also did SF->NY "I'm deleting Signal to get more space on my phone, because nobody here uses it. Find me on WhatsApp or SMS."

To a naïve audience, Signal can have a stigma "I don't do anything illegal, so why should I bother maintaining yet-another messenger whose core competency is private messaging?" Signal is reasonably mainstream, and there are still a lot of people who won't use it.

I suspect you'll have an uphill battle using something even more obscure.

Re: FBI is investigating Minnesota Signal chats tracking ICE

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With all the predatory tech Palantir has produced, it won't take more than a few minutes for FBI to start taking actions, IF they had anything tangible. This is just an intimidation tactic to stop people talking (chatting)

I'm never sure why people assume that Palantir is magically unlike the overwhelming majority of tech startups/companies I've worked at: vastly over promising what is possible to create hype and value while offering things engineering knows will never really quite work like they're advertised. To your point, but on a larger scale, over hyping Palantir has the added benefit of providing a chilling effect on public resi…

> I've never seen the government efficiently action on any data they have collected.

Someone else on HN said it would be nice if the NSA published statistics or something, data so aggregate you couldn't determine much from it, but still tells you "holy shit they prevented something crazy" levels of information, harder said than done without revealing too much.

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