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Re: Roc Camera

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Post by LaGrange »

divan wrote: post #312
peteforde wrote: post #62

I used to be really (really really) into photography. I respect anyone working hard on a physical product, but this misses the mark on every front I can think of. The real issue that photographers grapple with, emotionally and financially, is that pictures have become so thoroughly commodified that nobody assigns them cultural value anymore. They are the thumbnail you see before the short video clip starts playing. N…

I’ve been (really, really) into photography since I was six, and I’m still (really, really) at it three decades later. I never felt much appeal toward photography as an art form – it’s always been a way to capture moments and share them with people I care about. These days I play with both AI photography and “normal” photography. My main camera is the A9 III with a global shutter – a machine gun that fires 120fps RAW…

Wow that’s bleak. “Look at that fake photo of you but better.”

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by christopherwxyz »

ch_fr wrote: post #348

> How are my photos stored? >> We store the photos generated by the Roc Camera on IPFS (by default). We'll have more information on this soon, so check back for more details in the future. > How do I get my photos off the camera? >> Coming soon. We're working on export functionality to get your photos off the camera. > Where is the ZKP generated? >> The zero-knowledge proofs are generated on-device using the Raspberr…

I was part of the presale. I own one and am using it daily.

Invested in it because of the emerging opportunities from crypto and ZKPs.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by Kiboneu »

peteforde wrote: post #62

I used to be really (really really) into photography. I respect anyone working hard on a physical product, but this misses the mark on every front I can think of. The real issue that photographers grapple with, emotionally and financially, is that pictures have become so thoroughly commodified that nobody assigns them cultural value anymore. They are the thumbnail you see before the short video clip starts playing. N…

I am still really (really really) into photography! Nothing has changed that, the pictures are just as beautiful as they always were. My friends are touched when they see pictures of themselves spending time together. There is still plenty of things to see and take pictures of, and not enough time to worry about whether someone will appreciate my "work".

You can definitely get back into it. Just have fun, don't do it for anyone (that goes with any art).

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by SubiculumCode »

peteforde wrote: post #62

I used to be really (really really) into photography. I respect anyone working hard on a physical product, but this misses the mark on every front I can think of. The real issue that photographers grapple with, emotionally and financially, is that pictures have become so thoroughly commodified that nobody assigns them cultural value anymore. They are the thumbnail you see before the short video clip starts playing. N…

That's not the point. The point is trying to make a device that can help capture evidence of events that can be verified as not AI generated.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by hermitcrab »

anigbrowl wrote: post #150

I like the concept (because I was proposing such a couple of years back) and the software implementation seems good. But holy shit that thing is ugly. They could(should) have worked with a cheap camera maker like Lomokino to make a bare-bones rangefinder or twin lens reflex. This is one of the worst designs I have ever seen. Sorry.

It is seriously ugly. Especially for $399. Was that intentional?

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by Workaccount2 »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #45
keyle wrote: post #9

This is rather expensive for what looks like a home 3D printed toy with some cute software. Other than that it's a 16MP Sony CMOS, I'd expect a pretty noisy picture... How do I get my photos off the camera? Coming soon. We're working on export functionality to get your photos off the camera. It would be more interesting if the software was open source.

> This is rather expensive for what looks like a home 3D printed toy with some cute software. This attitude really rubs me the wrong way, especially on a site called Hacker News. I think we absolutely should be supporting projects like this (if you think they're worth supporting), else all we're left with is giant corporation monoculture. Hardware startups are incredibly difficult, and by their nature new hardware pr…

This isn't a hardware start-up, it's a software start-up using off the shelf consumer hardware to give their software product a home.

If it was a hardware start-up, the camera would be $80 built with custom purpose made hardware.

Once you decide to launch a hardware product composed of completed consumer hardware products, you are already dead. All the margin is already accounted for.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by SubiculumCode »

bambax wrote: post #188
peteforde wrote: post #62

I used to be really (really really) into photography. I respect anyone working hard on a physical product, but this misses the mark on every front I can think of. The real issue that photographers grapple with, emotionally and financially, is that pictures have become so thoroughly commodified that nobody assigns them cultural value anymore. They are the thumbnail you see before the short video clip starts playing. N…

Agreed. This product seems pointless because nobody's interested in a proof of authenticity (except maybe in certain legal niches?) I take pics for me and my friends and family, and AI has almost zero impact on this (although, face swaping is lots of fun, and everyone understands it's fake and a joke). Edit: also, and more importantly, the question of authenticity is moot. The point of art in general is to say someth…

Taking pics and videos of events with political ramifications and being able to show that it isn't AI generated or tampered with has HUGE utility, not the least of which by reporters and restablishing trust with disaffected.

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Post by jonah »

bentcorner wrote: post #339
LandR wrote: post #308

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who would love to get into street photography, and has an old NIkdon D7100, what would you recommend is a good lense (not model, but focal length, zoom, etc) for street photography ?

It all depends on what you want to do. If you want to get started cheaply the kit lens is more than enough. Prime lenses will have larger apertures that can give you more creative options. How close do you want to stand? Indoor/outdoors? What are you planning on taking pictures of? D7100 is APS-C, I find that 50mm (~75mm ff) on APS-C doesn't give you quite enough room indoors to take photos. So you might want a 35mm…

I have a D7100 as well and a 35mm 1.8 and 20mm. Both are great. 35mm on APA-C is about 50mm on full frame and is the "natural" view. Generally too narrow for landscapes and streetscapes, the 20mm starts to be good for those.

Re: Roc Camera

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Post by WD-42 »

torginus wrote: post #342
vwcx wrote: post #336

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's a solution that prioritizes privacy over reality, and I'm not sure we collectively want that. Mutilation of truth in the name of protection etc...

Yes that's a tradeoff - but I was thinking it would still be better than stuff like Google street view's mess of blurs.

Is it better? At least you know it’s a real face under the blur.
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