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Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Re: Genie 3: A new frontier for world models

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Post by likium »

svantana wrote: post #109
timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

You're quite the pessimist. I think the arts would do well to look at sports as a glimpse of their future. Machines are faster and stronger than people, but that hasn't had any impact on sports at all. Nobody's tuning in to the robot olympics.

A better analogy would be musicians. Recorded music is around but some musicians still make a living, mostly off live concerts and merch.

But it might also go the way of pottery, glass-making and weaving. They’re still around but extremely niche.

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Post by rolfus »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

I'm one of those excited people! We haven't lost anything with this new technology, only gained.

The way I see it, most people aren't creative. And the people who are creatives are mostly creating for the love of it. Most books that are published are read exclusively by the friends and family of the author. Most musicians, most stand-up comedians, most artist get to show off their works for small groups of people and make no money doing so. But they do it anyway. I draw terrible portraits, make little inventions and sometimes I build something for the home, knowing full well that I do these things for my own enjoyment and whatever ego boost I get from showing these things off to people I know.

I'm doing a marathon later and I've been working my ass off for the prospect of crossing the finishing line as number four thousand and something, and I'll do it again next year.

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Post by shreezus »

ivape wrote: post #58
modeless wrote: post #13

Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

So this just happened from scaling the model Unbelievable. How is this not a miracle? So we're just stumbling onto breakthroughs?

There are a lot of "interesting" emergent behaviors that happen just a result of scaling.

Kind of like how a single neuron doesn't do much, but connect 100 billion of them and well...

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Post by j_timberlake »

timeattack wrote: post #75

Advances in generative AI are making me progressively more and more depressive. Creativity is taken from us at exponential rate. And I don't buy argument from people who are saying they are excited to live in this age. I can get that if that technology stopped at current state and remained to be just tools for our creative endeavours, but it doesn't seem to be an endgame here. Instead it aims to be a complete replace…

I don't know how on Earth people can think like this. Most people can find "value" in a slice of pizza. It doesn't even have to be a good pizza.

Or kittens and puppies. Do you think there won't be kittens and puppies?

And that's putting aside all the obvious space-exploration stuff that will probably be more interesting than anything the previous 100 billion humans ever saw.

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Post by nxobject »

kfarr wrote: post #20
modeless wrote: post #13

Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

Bitter lesson strikes again!

_Especially_ given the goal of a world model using a rasters-only frame-by-frame approach. Holy shit.

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Post by tugn8r »

modeless wrote: post #13

Consistency over multiple minutes and it runs in real time at 720p? I did not expect world models to be this good yet. > Genie 3’s consistency is an emergent capability So this just happened from scaling the model, rather than being a consequence of deliberate architecture changes? Edit: here is some commentary on limitations from someone who tried it: https://x.com/tejasdkulkarni/status/1952737669894574264 > - Physi…

But that was always going to be the case?

Reality is not composed of words, syntax, and semantics. A human modal is.

Other human modals are sensory only, no language.

So vision learning and energy models that capture the energy to achieve a visual, audio, physical robotics behavior are the only real goal.

Software is for those who read the manual with their new NES game. Where are the words inside us?

Statistical physics of energy to make machine draw the glyphs of language not opionated clustering of language that will close the keyboard and mouse input loop. We're like replicating human work habits. Those are real physical behaviors. Not just descriptions in words.

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Post by HeatrayEnjoyer »

roywiggins wrote: post #270
rohit89 wrote: post #244

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the future, everyone will have their own ai agents capable of generating music to their own tastes. They won't be using spotify. The future with AI is not going to be our current world with some parts replaced by AI. It will be a whole new way of life.

My prediction is that personal generation is going to be niche forever, for purely social reasons. The demand for fandoms and fan communities seems to be essentially unlimited. Big artists have big fandoms, tiny ones have tiny fandoms, but none of that works with personalized generations.

Communities around fictional universes are already fractured and shrinking in member size because of the sheer number of algorithmically targeted universes available.

Water cooler talk about what happened this week in M.A.S.H. or Friends is extinct.

Worse, in the long run even community may be synthesized. If a friend is meat or if they're silicon (or even carbon fiber!), does it matter if you can't tell the difference? It might to pre-modern boomers like me and you.

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Post by j_timberlake »

brotchie wrote: post #9

First AI thing that’s made me feel a bit of derealization… …and this is the worst the capabilities will ever be. Watching the video created a glimmer of doubt that perhaps my current reality is a future version of myself, or some other consciousness, that’s living its life in an AI hallucinated environment.

No it's good, you're ahead of the curve, most people aren't there yet.

The next step is to realize that, if life is a cheap simulation, not everyone might have... uh... fully simulated minds. Player Characters vs NPCs is what gamers would say, though it doesn't have to be binary like that, and the term NPC has already been ruined by social media rants. (Also, NPC is a bad insult because most of the coolest characters in games are NPC rivals or bosses or whatnot.)

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