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Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by pico303 »

cube00 wrote: post #189
Raed667 wrote: post #178

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[Ticket Closed] resolution: user should buy a macbook pro with at least the M3 processor /s

SecOps put CrowdStrike's Falcon and Windows Defender on our Macs so we'd have about 20% CPU left for our actual dev work. That's not an exaggeration, staring at the System Monitor is all you can do when everything is locked up. The Android emulator sucks the remainder with ease. The app performs better on a low end Android burner phone then our dev machines so at least we know our users are having a reasonable experi…

It's so bad with my work laptop that I find myself doing work on my personal laptop and git patching it on my work laptop.

Also doesn't help that because I don't feel comfortable with all the monitoring software on my work laptop, I won't use the services I personally pay for with my work browser because I don't want the IT department scraping my personal passwords.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by deburo »

The timers' typography is absurd. Material Design was already too space-inefficient to my taste, but this one overdoes its predecessor. The worst of it all is that this is clearly a mobile design system and yet desktops, laptops & ipads must suffer for it since the styles don't adjust much to the amount of space you have on screen.

https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/B4hgs-2YHv1TDxMu3VSGcx9YMs...

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by pico303 »

marcusb wrote: post #269
cube00 wrote: post #189

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SecOps put CrowdStrike's Falcon and Windows Defender on our Macs so we'd have about 20% CPU left for our actual dev work. That's not an exaggeration, staring at the System Monitor is all you can do when everything is locked up. The Android emulator sucks the remainder with ease. The app performs better on a low end Android burner phone then our dev machines so at least we know our users are having a reasonable experi…

I had a couple of customers that deployed 7 endpoint security tools of the "hook into processes and inspect everything" variety. The exact mix was customer-specific, but if you're wondering what that looks like: * Stand-alone "best of breed" endpoint DLP * Stand-alone "best of breed" EDR * Process whitelisting tool * NAC posture assessment agent * Three different AV agents This is not even counting their VPN client(s…

And after all that, your company gets hacked through a misconfigured router.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by riffraff »

echelon wrote: post #222
jampekka wrote: post #169

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The expressed goal is emotionally impacting UX. They clearly got strong emotions out of you. Mission accomplished!

It's not just a laggy mouse. I scrolled through half a page of a completely black screen. On a high powered machine with lots of bandwidth and low latency. The designers here have lost the plot.

I'm on mobile and scrolled through most of this waiting for images to load, and wondering why I didn't see any.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by johnisgood »

roncesvalles wrote: post #283
freedomben wrote: post #240

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Indeed. Google is the worst at designing around lazy loading. Their UIs in Drive, Youtube Music, and others essentially become unusable once the list gets long. God forbid you don't have a super low latency connection straight to the data center. Even holding open a web socket to fetch "next pages" doesn't cut it in most of the real world. If you're gonna lazy load (which I admit sometimes does make sense) you need t…

Especially when metadata is so cheap to send over. Even if you have literally thousands of files, there's no reason why they couldn't send it all in a single JSON at first page load. Gzipped it would be nothing.

And to imagine that Googlers do not know better... sighs.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by magios »

jampekka wrote: post #177
ImHereToVote wrote: post #173

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Browser don't support replacing cursor images natively for obvious reasons. You have to use JavaScript for that.

CSS supports replacing cursor images natively. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/cursor

another thing to block in firefox userContent.css as there doesn't appear to be an option for it in about:config

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by riffraff »

diggan wrote: post #292
edoceo wrote: post #220

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Arrreg!! So many of these React (et al) sites, with poorly re-built elements and break the built-in functionality! The A tag works perfect! But no, we need three or four nested divs, components, and many lines of JS to end up with something worse. Is React the driver? Do devs just not know? Is management pushing garbage?

> Is React the driver? Do devs just not know? Is management pushing garbage? I'd say developers who aren't web developers trying to do web dev seems to be the cause of this. Understanding the platform you're developing for is pretty much table stakes for any developer, and not understanding when to use is pretty much the most basic mistake you can make. Literally the first things you learn in web development is about…

> I'd say developers who aren't web developers trying to do web dev seems to be the cause of this.

Hard disagree. I've seen a ton of decent web developers (i.e. people who can use modern CSS, layouts, and modern web stacks) reinventing buttons and links and forgetting about accessibility.

It's a completely orthogonal thing to the dev background.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by ravenstine »

erkt wrote: post #243
ravenstine wrote: post #235

What this page is telling me is designers at The Google have rediscovered what mid-90's UX already figured out. Also, nice doodad cursor thing, guys, but maybe next time you don't add things like that for their own sake. I swear it seems at least a hair slower than the native cursor.

a hair slower? I drag it from one side of the screen to the other and get 4-6 frames despite my monitor being 240fps. Perhaps its just more engineering to push people off firefox?

Didn't seem nearly that bad to me on Firefox. It's fairly smooth; just kind of laggy, but in a way where it was hard to tell whether it's an optical illusion. Otherwise doesn't appear to have any fewer or more frames when swiping around than the OS cursor.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by Workaccount2 »

amluto wrote: post #274

Wow, in the process of making the send button slightly easier to find, they reduced the amount of actual content in the screen by a couple lines. And they still overlay controls on the content, thus obscuring some of it, just like earlier versions of Material Design. The prettier and more fun modern UIs get, the more I miss the UIs of the nineties. Controls looked like controls, screen space was well utilized, and ev…

Engineers generally hate UIs that consumer loves.

Re: Material 3 Expressive

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Post by firejake308 »

hexomancer wrote: post #116
arewethereyeta wrote: post #92

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Who would be qualified enough to talk with you about new design trends then?those that design on your taste? Rarely, if ever, new design trends are liked by everyone. All in all, I think they are qualified enough.

Here are some objective issues with this page that I don't think is really up to taste (honestly these are so obvious that I assume you viewed the website on mobile which is fair, I never used the mobile version. Because I don't think anyone in good conscience would argue with the terribleness of the desktop version of the website). Note that I will not include many taste-based issues with the website (like the god-a…

> the page flashbangs you

Did anyone understand what the purpose of that was?

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