Hacker News Board Hacker News, browsed like a classic message board
Live data from Hacker News

China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

wsj.com

Post reply on HN
Print view View original

351–360 of 470 posts

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#351

Post by mikrotikker »

janalsncm wrote: post #325
diebeforei485 wrote: post #297

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not in their interest to do so. Tesla is the EV leader and exports many vehicle from China to other countries. Additionally, Elon has a direct line to Trump, it makes no sense to burn bridges.

In what sense is Tesla the EV leader? BYD sold 4.3M EVs last year and is up 40% from 2023. Tesla only sold 1.8M and is down from 2023. From where I’m sitting, Elon is very lucky the US government is protecting his business with tariffs, but that only affects US sales. They haven’t made a new car since 2020 either (cyber truck doesn’t count).

Most of those BYDs are sitting in a field rotting, it's just to make sales look good. They just go park them in a field. Total waste.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#352

Post by pezezin »

ty6853 wrote: post #287
throwaway2037 wrote: post #282

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right to bear arms? How about Finland or Switzerland? It is pretty easy to own guns in both places.

Where I live now you can 3d print an unregistered and unserialized pistol then stuff it under your shirt (loaded) and walk into the unsecured part of a public airport without breaking the law, all with zero paperwork or licenses or checks. Can I do that in Switzerland?

And why is that a good thing?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#353

Post by remarkEon »

rcpt wrote: post #173
immibis wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Remember though, China is still a totalitarian dictatorship at least as bad as the USA. It's not the same situation.

I don't think we'll see born-in-the-USA Americans moving to Shenzhen anytime soon. But a huge fraction of our workforce is immigrants who have given up their homeland and distanced themselves from their families and communities in search of opportunities here. The fact that we're driving them away now does not bode well for our future economy.

If the immigrants that we've allowed to come here are so fickle that they would leave for China if China presents better opportunities, I would prefer that they leave now and get it over with. My country is not an economic zone for extracting value. It's my home.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#354

Post by remarkEon »

Leary wrote: post #67
tedeh wrote: post #12

When did Sam Altman last visit China?

As recent as 2017. "Earlier this year, I noticed something in China that really surprised me. I realized I felt more comfortable discussing controversial ideas in Beijing than in San Francisco. I didn’t feel completely comfortable—this was China, after all—just more comfortable than at home." https://blog.samaltman.com/e-pur-si-muove He also mentions giving a talk for YC in China in 2018: https://blog.samaltman.com/i…

That particular quote seems to come up every once in a while, and I still don't quite get why people feel it's profound or important. China has a very public and well-known list of things that you are not allowed to talk about (Tienanmen Square, a few others). SF doesn't (or didn't) because what was offensive or violated whatever new rule the way-too-online wasn't codified as part of some legal apparatus, it was/is very dynamic. One does not need to actually go to China to recognize this.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#355

Post by tw1984 »

rozenmd wrote: post #319
tw1984 wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

[flagged]

What are you talking about?

in sydney, you face property prices not cheaper than the bay area, but the same tech job is going to pay you 30-40% of what you'd expect on the other side of the world.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#356

Post by janalsncm »

mikrotikker wrote: post #351
janalsncm wrote: post #325

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what sense is Tesla the EV leader? BYD sold 4.3M EVs last year and is up 40% from 2023. Tesla only sold 1.8M and is down from 2023. From where I’m sitting, Elon is very lucky the US government is protecting his business with tariffs, but that only affects US sales. They haven’t made a new car since 2020 either (cyber truck doesn’t count).

Most of those BYDs are sitting in a field rotting, it's just to make sales look good. They just go park them in a field. Total waste.

The numbers I am quoting are sales, not numbers produced. Are you saying people are buying their cars but not using them? If so, who, and why?

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#357

Post by rurban »

blackeyeblitzar wrote: post #48

Why does the US still allow Chinese nationals to study at its universities and work at its companies? Seems like a big risk that cutting edge research and trade secrets will go to America’s main adversary. Industrial espionage by China has a long history, and China has more valuable things to steal from America than the other way.

The last time I talked to our local embedded CIA guy in my previous US company, he was very proud of their efforts to keep all the Chinese scientists out of the major hacking conferences. And he was very keen to get access to all Arab and East Asian critical infrastructures. Talking about industrial espionage efforts

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#358

Post by blitzar »

dmix wrote: post #337
ninetyninenine wrote: post #313

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Bro ai via programming with people is already good enough to fight wars with drones in the air. You don’t even need LLMs or machine learning black boxes. Basically the reason is because there’s so little noise in the air. If it’s black and metal and flying and doesn’t match the iff signal than simple “if then” logic can verify it’s a bogey.

This is partly true, Automated object detection already exists. If LLMs haven't fundamentally shifted Ukraine war yet then it's plausible it has limited value in progressing drone warfare. I disagree you can simply automate it via IFF though... basically because IFF is easy grounds for counter drone attacks. Establishing IFF just makes your enemies job easier unless you have heavy anti drone tech which no country doe…

Building 1000's of drones capable of taking out armoured vehicles from disposable commodity parts is more important than a 4% improved detection rate of hotdogs.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#359

Post by blitzar »

somelamer567 wrote: post #224
Fricken wrote: post #216

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US stole it's IP as well when it was behind. Sam Slater was known as "The Founder of the American Factory System" in the US. In the UK he was known as "Slater the Traitor", because he stole some very important IP. Adam Smith wasn't a big fan of IP either. He was all about owning the means of production. China was taking notes. The dog ate America's homework.

[flagged]

If your country is founded on a principle then it is pretty hypocritical to tell others they should not share that principle as well.

Re: China tells its AI leaders to avoid U.S. travel over security concerns

#360

Post by blitzar »

blindriver wrote: post #68

I worked at a well-known company that told us we couldn't bring any work electronic devices to China, because there was a risk malware could be installed on it. They advised us not to bring any personal electronic devices either, like phones because they could be confiscated at the border and returned with malware installed on it. It makes sense that this happens. I'm curious why they haven't attempted to tighten the…

I worked at a well-known company that told us we couldn't bring any work electronic devices to the USA.
Post reply on HN