What if governments couldn’t create cute names like MAID?
I know it seems silly that a cute name would make something more likable because it shouldnt but i think probably it does, and what is the defense for having them anyway?
Assisted dying now accounts for one in 20 Canada deaths
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This! People feel like they cannot live alone or they cannot want that someone else be caused hardship (time or money) because of their difficulty. I feel like I will get downvoted to oblivion just because people vehemently disagree, but THIS CANNOT be the meaning and choice behind death. It is simply immature, arrogant, and selfish. But more plainly, it is suicidal / self-relentment.
Let's loop back around on this comment when you're in your 80s, alone, and dying a slow death.
I would be in the same state as when I was depressed. The only people to prevent you from making such mistakes are the people around you.
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#353My Canadian parents are in their 80's so naturally a lot of their friends of the same age are dying. And two of them have been via MAID. In one case, which was surprising to me, a man who had survived cancer - he was not terminal but certainly wasn't getting any better - elected to die via MAID after his wife died. She passed, he called his doctor and less than a week later he was also dead. He got a chance to visit…
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That’s not what life is about in Christianity at all. Life is about choice in Christianity. Freedom. You can choose to live for yourself or for others, for the world. Dwelling on one’s suffering is a form of egoism that distances one from others and thus God. That’s why suicide is a sin in Christian theology, because it arises from individualism, which denies the Holy Spirit that comprises and composes us all. Asking “why don’t they have the right to kill themselves” is the wrong question from such a theological standpoint. The right question is “why aren’t we rushing to their aid, especially when we have the chance to prevent the type of suffering that would inspire such egoism.” That opportunity certainly won’t always exist, sometimes organisms just break, it’s just the risk of material existence, and coping with that powerlessness is also a part, no doubt the hardest part, of shedding ego.
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Well that entire dogma is giving us monsters like Mother Theresa who thought that by letting people in her care suffer she made it more likely they will make it to heaven - and well, the Catholic Church has agreed with that interpretation and made her a Saint. This was touched upon in a game called Indika released this year......there's a story there how a guy ended the suffering of his young child who was in constan…
The alternative dogma of egocentric hedonism creates at least as many monsters.
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#355Earlier quoted context omitted.
This! People feel like they cannot live alone or they cannot want that someone else be caused hardship (time or money) because of their difficulty. I feel like I will get downvoted to oblivion just because people vehemently disagree, but THIS CANNOT be the meaning and choice behind death. It is simply immature, arrogant, and selfish. But more plainly, it is suicidal / self-relentment.
You know what? Yes, I make selfish decisions about my life. So does everybody else. We do not exist to satisfy the needs of other people. The choice behind death is that it's preferable to the alternative. Before we had medically assisted options, people would do it in more painful ways, but they'd still do it. Many cultures had the idea of "walking off into the wilderness" when your time was there. When that time is…
Most honest gloomful comment so far, and need I say selfish.
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it because obvious that euthanasia happens in the US all the time [...] So the hospital withheld IV hydration and provided a morphine drip and he was gone in 36 hours I had a family member with late-stage terminal COPD opt out of further treatment. They were in respiratory crisis and were going to be intubated for the nth time with no real hope of recovery, and so they said "fuck it" and delined further intervention.…
> The hospital (a Catholic hospital, even) provided a morphine drip and they were gone within an hour. FWIW, Catholic ethics are actually fairly well thought out on this issue. You're not allowed to withhold basic nourishment (food, hydration, non-invasive breathing support), but you are allowed to opt out of invasive procedures such as intubation and provide pain management if the patient or the patient's guardian d…
Thanks for the link. It affirmed my understanding of church teaching. Medically assisted nutrition and hydration become morally optional when they cannot reasonably be expected to
prolong life or when they would be excessively burdensome for the patient or would cause significant physical
discomfort.
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#357"For the first time, the report delved into race and ethnic data of those who died by euthanasia. Around 96% of recipients identified as white people, who account for about 70% of Canada's population. It is unclear what caused this disparity." Any good hypothesis about this?
My hypothesis would be that white people in Canada, and especially Quebec, are culturally very ok with MAID due to being less religious than other groups (on average). Since at least as far as I know most if not all religions condemn suicide/assisted suicide.
Culturally (though I have no data point but my own) my friends and family tend to be very comfortable with discussing death and assisted-dying. It's just not really taboo.
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Okay, they have considered assisted dying. People consider things all the time. That's a very far cry from getting anywhere close to approved for assisted dying.
This woman was approved: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/woman-with-chemical-sensitivit... Edit: fixed link, was looking at two very similar ones and got them mixed up.
What right do you have to say this woman shouldn't be allowed to end her life though?
She spoke to two different doctors and they both agreed to sign off on her death. Do you think the doctors are the ones pushing people to off themselves because they can't live a normal life?
Forcing someone who wants to take the state sanctioned approach to suicide (as opposed to a 9mm sandwich) to talk to two medical professionals seems fine to me. Maybe there's some infinitesimal chance both those two doctors want as many people to die as possible, but eh.
Or, you know, they agreed that she deserved the ability to end her life on her terms. Most people do not take a year to plan and carry out their suicide. Speaking to a doctor is usually the only intervention necessary to help someone looking to suicide for temporary reasons.
When I was suicidal, having to get paperwork done would have stopped me from seeking out this method. Why would I want to interact with a doctor, another doctor, some bureaucracy, and now the news, when instead I could go to Walmart and walk out with a helium cylinder, a plastic bag, a hose, and some tape for $50?
A government doesn't HAVE to legalize euthanasia to push sad, lonely, poor, hurting individuals to kill themselves, they just have to continue defunding medical care and saying "Nope, nothing we can do here, you just have to suffer, can't afford to do better than that".
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#359I think the real burden here will be had by those issuing the euthanasia as well as any family members or friends that do not understand the reasoning.
Perhaps this will just be an outlet for those sociopathic nurses/doctors though, get their kicks this way instead of poisoning patients etc?
I put an animal out of its misery once. I decided it needed to be done. Did I murder? If it would have been able to, and it asked me to, was that not a murder, then?
If twenty people ask me to put them out of their misery, and I oblige, does none of it bother me? Does having a license saying I can make it easier for me to process? Maybe this is just a market for sociopaths?
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> Worrying parallel: will euthanasia become another "solution" for those who can't afford proper care and treatment? Moving homeless people to warmer cities and offering euthanasia to those who can't afford treatment both avoid fixing the underlying problems. Almost certainly. IIRC, in Canada there have already been cases where people got euthanasia mainly because their disability payments were insufficient.
I'm in Canada and I have a relative in hospital who say they are either returning home or doing MAID, as they were not going into a home or "assisted living." coming to terms with your own death is part of the culture here now. Many people clearly prefer death to being dependent on services. Doctors themselves are known to eschew chemotherapy and difficult surgeries. Most men don't even see the doctors their taxes pa…
Regarding your comment on loose opioid prescription, in Québec (I cannot talk about other province because health care is a provincial juridiction) , they are not a thing anymore.
20 years ago it was like you said: I received 40 pills of oxycodone 20mg for a strained muscle. But nowadays they're quite strict, too strict imo: a few month ago my wife broke a vertebrae and she only received only 20 pills of hydromorphone 1mg and a month of antacid coated naproxen.