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Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by aseipp »

wpwpwpw wrote: post #127
wpwpwpw wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If a CPU is socket-able, so should memory chips be.

-> It won’t ever be able run as fast as a soldered system. Yeah, just take a look at PCIe 5 and it's 512GB/s of bandwidth. -> Have you installed a server CPU? Yeah, and none of the problems you mentioned. -> That’s not an experience Apple wants any user of their products to have. Yeah, just look at the older macs with upgradable components and the easyness you had replacing them... So, instead of making it easier, le…

PCIe is a serial interface, not parallel like modern DRAM interfaces. They're completely different at a hardware level, the electrical design constraints are completely different, the latency characteristics are completely different. I think you are just throwing words and numbers out and don't really know what they mean at all.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by tharos47 »

e63f67dd-065b wrote: post #330

With educational pricing this thing starts as $500, and at 16GB of RAM (finally) I think this easily beats any sort of desktop PC you can buy at that price (let's exclude custom builds, they're not the same market). I think this just became the go-to recommendation I'll give to anybody wanting an entry-level desktop computer of any kind. In fact I might buy one for my parents right now to replace the old mac mini the…

IMHO it's not as NUC style mini PCs with x86-64 CPUs from AMD and intel are really cheap and the 256Gb storage is way too small making the "real" price $200 higher for any sort of moderate usage.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by plushpuffin »

zackymacky wrote: post #348
e63f67dd-065b wrote: post #330

With educational pricing this thing starts as $500, and at 16GB of RAM (finally) I think this easily beats any sort of desktop PC you can buy at that price (let's exclude custom builds, they're not the same market). I think this just became the go-to recommendation I'll give to anybody wanting an entry-level desktop computer of any kind. In fact I might buy one for my parents right now to replace the old mac mini the…

Help me understand the $500 starting price? I see $1250 starting price on pre-orders from the education store.

That’s for the model with the M4 Pro chip.

Mac mini with M4 starts at $599 (U.S.) and $499 (U.S.) for education.

Mac mini with M4 Pro starts at $1,399 (U.S.) and $1,299 (U.S.) for education.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by OnionBlender »

Is there a good performance benchmark website/channel for Mac hardware? (Once reviewers get their hands on the hardware)

I'm trying to decide if I should get the Pro or the base model mini. I've been learning Swift and Metal using an old work Macbook and I want to get my own hardware. The only games I play recently at Factorio and Baldur's Gate 3, so I was thinking perhaps I should get the Pro and not bother upgrading my desktop (an i7 6700k from 2015).

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by zackymacky »

plushpuffin wrote: post #353
zackymacky wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Help me understand the $500 starting price? I see $1250 starting price on pre-orders from the education store.

That’s for the model with the M4 Pro chip. Mac mini with M4 starts at $599 (U.S.) and $499 (U.S.) for education. Mac mini with M4 Pro starts at $1,399 (U.S.) and $1,299 (U.S.) for education.

My mistake! I was looking at M4 iMac pricing. So you still need a monitor on top of the $500 price, but that is a good entry point.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by hocuspocus »

palijer wrote: post #325

Only USB-C in the back front and back? I suppose this is a "BYOKVM" machine that is going to need a dongle to connect the keyboard and mouse... Even the iKeyboard I bought from them last year was lightning to USB-A and needed a dongle to connect to my Apple laptop. At least it has an HDMI port.

USB-C monitors with a bunch of A ports (so, not from Apple) are pretty handy if that's important to you.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by infecto »

richwater wrote: post #219
infecto wrote: post #71

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Are we going to hear this for every product release ad nauseam forever? Not sure about you but at least for myself, I always trade-in/recycle my products with Apple which I hope closes the loop as close as possible.

Yes because it's so ridiculous to call it a professional machine and not let people put in their own RAM and instead charge $200+ for 8GB

The days where this actually matters is going away. Your opinion is but a tiny minority, for the vast majority it does not matter. $200-800 for a tool that generates an enormous amount of value is incredible, no desire to upgrade it myself. I think about how rarely a PC gaming computer needs to be upgraded these days, by the time it happens its usually a complete overhaul because there is a CPU, Mobo upgrade required.

Re: New Mac Mini with M4

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Post by Etheryte »

bee_rider wrote: post #326
Etheryte wrote: post #161

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Last I checked, Apple was pretty much the only major player who does everything that they can do on device on device, that is their whole ethos behind it, no?

It is possible that they do everything they can on the decide, but still have to do lots in the cloud, right? For some definition of lots, at least…

I mean, there is no need to speculate about any of this, they've put out a number of articles that outline their whole approach. I'm not really sure where the ambiguity lies?
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