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Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by whaleofatw2022 »

dchichkov wrote: post #94
Spooky23 wrote: post #80

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Idk. I’d imagine it has more to do with the preorders and how they can stuff shipments. I got to drive one… it’s an objectively terrible car. I would imagine that as the look gets let’s novel that attention will wane quickly. When they get the inevitable prominent pedestrian collision on video, it has Pinto potential. It’s weird because the last “new” Tesla was the Model Y I think, and that is an incredibly well thou…

Is there some tax data about the amount of Clean Vehicle/CA and Federal EV credits issued for Cybertruck? The income cap on getting the clean vehicle rebates is $135k ($200k joint filers). And I'm not sure about the federal rebates. Tesla doesn't offer 0% financing, current Cybertruck APR deal is reported to be 5.29% for up to 72 months. So I don't see how someone with the income under the rebate cutoff can afford th…

Cox Automotive is one of the biggest auto conglomerates for remarketing/etc. Autotrader, Manheim, cox rail, and a bunch of other fingers in the pie. They get a lot of data for both new and used vehicle sales as a result.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by whaleofatw2022 »

potato3732842 wrote: post #131
serf wrote: post #117

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similar things were said about the Honda Ridgeline and the Chevrolet Avalanche; they ended up having the same long-tern issues that they were predicted to have; torn mounting points and reduced repair-ability when the inevitable occurs.

>similar things were said about the Honda Ridgeline and the Chevrolet Avalanche; they ended up having the same long-tern issues that they were predicted to have; torn mounting points and reduced repair-ability when the inevitable occurs. The fact that you think the Chevy Avalanche[1] has unibody problems says everything I need to know about your opinion There's nothing fundamentally wrong with unibody construction fo…

Well, main issue with the avalanche was the bed was integrated with the Cab body, which still led to SOME repairability challenges.

Still, nowhere near as bad as a unibody like a Ridgeline or maverick

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by neilk »

sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

(Caveat: I am not a car guy at all, never owned one)

In the US, most trucks sold do very little hauling, towing, or off-reading or anything else that might justify the giant form factor.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz...

And yet, trucks and SUVs are the best-selling cars in the US, and have been for a long time. There is a weird loophole for fuel efficiency in mileage standards for large vehicles, but obviously that doesn’t apply to the Cybertruck. There is definitely some psychological appeal to having a very dominant-looking vehicle.

So just as a business move, the Cybertruck makes sense. But there’s more overlap with Musk’s politics than you might think.

I read a book a long time ago by this very weird product marketer Clotaire Rapaille, who, several decades ago, was trying to convince executives to put a gun mount on an SUV. His argument was his research showed that the people who loved big cars saw the world as dangerous, and had fantasies of cutting through the hordes with a powerful vehicle. Rapaille’s methods are somewhere between the usual consumer panel interviews and guided meditation, so it’s hardly scientific, maybe more like poetry, but I found it compelling.

Musk actually tried to demonstrate the Cybertruck’s resistance to guns and sledgehammers. Its actual durability is, I gather, more debatable, but he was definitely trying to reach people’s darkest fears and impulses.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by Apofis »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #48

Its the design. The memefication of reality is happening right under our eyes, and the Cybertruck is the perfect vehicle for it. Expect more such memetic design across everything. From people to products, the meme is the atomic unit of attention. Beauty is a secondary goal; to sprout memes is how you win in twenty twenty four - and beyond.

EV's have been horrifically ugly and/or boring for decades, its fine for the Cybertruck to buck that trend.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by purplethinking »

hcarvalhoalves wrote: post #259
sashank_1509 wrote: post #40

The weird thing I’ve seen is in almost all the online forums I visit, like Reddit, YouTube comment sections, parts of twitter, hacker news, the cybertruck is universally panned. Yet when I drove a cybertruck, the number of onlookers who approached me inquiring about the car with excitement is unmatched with even a Lamborghini that I once rented. Shows how much of a bubble the internet alone is. MKBHD got the ratio’s…

I feel Tesla is a US bubble. Despite all the disproportionate media this brand and it’s CEO gets, in my country I haven’t even seen one in the street yet, but I see EV Volvo, Renault, Fiat, BYD, GWM and others daily.

Tesla Model Y is the most sold car in Europe right now. Not most sold EV, most sold CAR.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by otterley »

binoct wrote: post #92
RollAHardSix wrote: post #57

My girlfriend owns one so to share our experience, the cybertruck is an unreliable POS. She's had it three, four months now & we have had it in the shop for suspension repair, an ECU computer which fried itself at a charging station (2k), a coolant leak part replacement from the cyberbeast rear engine (1400), the passenger window falling inside the door after the wire used in the gear window retraction snapped or tan…

I’m genuinely curious, on a 4-month old vehicle, why weren’t the three specific repairs and costs you list be covered under warranty?

I'm guessing they were covered under warranty, but the cash-equivalent costs were listed.

I think the bigger problem here is the inconvenience. You don't get much value out of the thing you purchased if it's in the shop most of the time. Plus you have to take time out of your day to bring it to the shop (if it's even possible) or wait for a tow truck to come get you if the vehicle is immobile or unsafe to drive, and then find a way to get home.

Warranties pay for parts and labor, but they don't cover incidental expenses, or more importantly, your time.

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Post by otterley »

anonfordays wrote: post #345
danielscrubs wrote: post #325

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Isn't that like asking if Boeings flights aren't covered by life insurance? Car insurance companies know the costs, and they have open listings of the car brands. They have literally all incentives in play to stay truthful. Compared to whatever PR we are force-fed a jour.

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Don't call someone here a liar unless you have clear and convincing evidence of it. The OP never said that they laid out cash for these repairs.

On a repair invoice, the shop usually lists the cost, then it's paid for by the manufacturer at the bottom. It's all normal accounting for the back office. If you've ever owned a car that had warranty repairs, regardless of make or model, you'd see this.

Re: Tesla's Cybertruck is outselling almost every other EV in the US

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Post by SanDiegoSun »

ryandrake wrote: post #256
bko wrote: post #229

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I think a simpler explanation is that terminally online people just don't like the politics of the CEO and like to take any chance to dunk on him. In a world that has been stagnant for decades in terms of design and doing things out the box, it's something at least trying to be different. Don't get all the hate

People were dunking on the Cybertruck before Musk made that sharp turn into a political lightning rod around when COVID hit. I recall seeing discussion about how silly the car is, even during the height of his popularity.

People who are uninformed were trying to dunk. Dismissing its aerodynamics when it has a CD of .34; and decent efficiency per battery size.

Ultimately ignorant terminally online people complain and dismiss what is the best selling ev truck.

You can disagree, but you would be objectively wrong.

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Post by potatochup »

NewJazz wrote: post #161
bastawhiz wrote: post #151

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The biggest failing of the i3, in my opinion, is that it looked stupid. It was cheap and "dorky" looking for no obvious reason. There was nothing that stopped BMW from making it look like any of their other models but they chose to make it weird and different in a way that surely hurt its sales. A real shame, honestly.

The Bolt looked nearly as dorky and they sold plenty of those. Even with the battery recall. I doubt GM made much if any profit though. LG chemicals sure didn't. The Ioniq 5 looks way better than both and of course it is doing numbers as a result. i3 was just expensive, low range, and overall not a competitive EV in the NA market.

I think the bolt looks fine? Especially the 2022+ versions. Biggest issue is the 50kw max charging rate imo.

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Post by anonfordays »

otterley wrote: post #357
anonfordays wrote: post #345

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Don't call someone here a liar unless you have clear and convincing evidence of it. The OP never said that they laid out cash for these repairs. On a repair invoice, the shop usually lists the cost, then it's paid for by the manufacturer at the bottom. It's all normal accounting for the back office. If you've ever owned a car that had warranty repairs, regardless of make or model, you'd see this.

>Don't call someone here a liar unless you have clear and convincing evidence of it.

The post in and of itself is clear and convincing evidence.

>On a repair invoice, the shop usually lists the cost, then it's paid for by the manufacturer at the bottom. It's all normal accounting for the back office. If you've ever owned a car that had warranty repairs, regardless of make or model, you'd see this.

That's not how any of this works for Tesla though, there are no "shops" you take it to, only Tesla service centers do warranty work. The prices listed for warranty work are always "$0.00", never listing how much any of it costs. The post is clearly a LARP.

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