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Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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> Protectionism and self-sufficiency is the same thing please revisit the dictionary

There’s no local industry to protect if you ain’t self-sufficiency. And it’s damn hard to protect self-sufficiency long term without protectionism if possible at all.

protectionism is an optional downstream branch of self-sufficiency - being self-sufficient does not automatically imply that it will devolve into protectionism

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Tax credits make sense for companies already with a steady profit margin. Cloud in particular is a capex heavy business so for a new company that is not very useful for at least the first few years.

that's why you give credit to investors not just compnaies.

Just give it to the companies. That still incentivises equity investment (it lowers risk and raises the potential upside of profitability). It also make underwriting standard loans easier too.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I run a European cloud service, 80% of our customers are basically looking for a European alternative to the big clouds. The market is huge and in my opinion underserved. What makes it very exciting is that there not too much innovation required to compete

What are the other 20% with you for? What is the benefit that your customers see in using an European cloud?

The main benefit of using a 100% European cloud is to be 100% GDPR compliant. No matter how you slice it and how lawyers/companies try to wiggle around it, it's not possible to host data with a US company and be GDPR compliant, because of US laws.

Customers do ask about it, and it's always iffy to have to justify your GDPR compliance when using US cloud companies.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Recently there's HN discussions about Hetzner's strategic pricing based on their spartan business approaches [1]. On the back of my mind thinking that it's very similar to how Lidl operates its supermarket outlets and if Lidl ever operates hosting it would be very similar to Hetzner [2].

But now lol and behold unbeknownst to me that there's actually a Lidl cloud and it's not an April fool news.

[1] Hetzner Pricing:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41179371

[2] How does Aldi keep their prices so low | Aldi Vs Lidl: Supermarket Wars | Channel 5 [video]:

https://youtu.be/AhwycD3GMlM

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

Living in the EU, and having by and large a meaningless job in a meaningless division of a quasi-government org... while reading the news coming from the East, I keep imagining how a war with EU will upend this little paradise of parasites and laziness, and it gives me nightmares :) Also, EU will probably kick me out before things will start getting more serious, I struggle to imagine any other sort of motivation less drastic than that to get things going in the "right direction" :(

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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Gaia-X is a disaster. The article misrepresents it. Gaia-X is not a framework for what a European cloud should look like. This would be useful. In beautiful EU bureaucratic style It's a framework for how to talk about how a European Cloud could look like. It's not about technical standards. It's about how we can talk about how we can think of maybe eventually deciding on how we can come up with standards that might o…

To come to a decision is dangerous for a career in a bureaucratic monster. Its all about creating the most impractical swiss-knife of all trades with as little personal responsibility as possible. If the whole apparatus fails, that does not result in the whole apparatus being fired. Thats the crux.

Another nice example, resulting in horrible deformed APIs: https://www.ibm.com/topics/what-is-a-digital-twin

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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This is too funny. What's to stop an American cloud hyperscaler from creating a "properly patriated" subsidiary that it simply licenses the tech to? Wouldn't that side step the "sovereign" protectionism? An American company would run circles around this mess.

They might if there was a market for it. But who wants to pay a premium to be free of US influence? America hasn’t gone full-on Gilead yet.

Unfortunately, every democracy is one election away from Gilead.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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I used to work for a company that gets Gaia-X money. I will not mention concrete names, so you'll have to believe this anonymous source, me, choosing to remain vague to not be identified. All we did for Gaia-X was the paperwork to get the money. It had zero impact on anything we actually did. Somebody I know who knew what other firms receiving Gaia-X funds did told me the others did even less than us. We certainly di…

I’ve acquaintances who have done similar things. The wastefulness of EU is the real reason people want their countries out of it. There seem to be zero journalists covering EU shenanigans so everyone just get the news from people in the trenches. While our local politicians gets fired for buying chocolate on the wrong account (true story).

> The wastefulness of EU is the real reason people want their countries out of it.

Unless such wastefulness is directed towards your own country!

By the way, the only ones who actually voted to quit were those idiot Brexiteers who were not even aware of the EU funds invested in the UK.

Re: Lidl's Cloud Gambit: Europe's Shift to Sovereign Computing

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What are the other 20% with you for? What is the benefit that your customers see in using an European cloud?

The main benefit of using a 100% European cloud is to be 100% GDPR compliant. No matter how you slice it and how lawyers/companies try to wiggle around it, it's not possible to host data with a US company and be GDPR compliant, because of US laws. Customers do ask about it, and it's always iffy to have to justify your GDPR compliance when using US cloud companies.

Which is why the big cloud providers have European data centers that comply with all relevant European laws where many big European companies, including some banks, medical companies, etc. choose to host their stuff. You know, the type of companies that would actually care a lot about such things and let their lawyers make sure they are doing all the right things.

AWS actually joined Gaia-x years ago. I think MS and Google did as well. They want to be compliant. Keeping their European customers happy is important to them. They use European legal entities as well to do business here. Because that is indeed required. No need to switch cloud provider. Just make sure you use them correctly and do all the right things. Which in any case is 100% your responsibility as you will be on the spot if you get that wrong. This job doesn't change if you switch cloud provider.

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